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    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:11:37 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Marian-NYC</author>
      <description><![CDATA[No.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:11:37 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Hugh Clary</author>
      <description><![CDATA[YES, BUT CAN THEY GAINSAY AN OXYMORON?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:16:34 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>DON KETZLER</author>
      <description><![CDATA[MUSIC AND POETRY HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON THAT I LIKE TO CALL THEM TWINS. BOTH ARE CAPABLE OF EXPESSING FEELINGS THAT TRANSCEND &quot;NORMAL&quot; HUMAN MEANS . BOTH USE STRUCTURE AND SOUND ,INCLUDING SILENT SOUND. THEY CAN EXPESS THE INEXPLICABLE.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2004 01:45:09 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Linda</author>
      <description><![CDATA[You may know one of his songs, &quot;Lord of the Dance&quot; to the tune Simple Gifts.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2004 23:08:33 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Marian-NYC</author>
      <description><![CDATA[
I don't know Sydney Carter (YET), but yes, there are some lovely prayer songs on the &quot;SWANN &amp; TOPPING&quot; album.  One goes:

Let every day BEGIN WITH SPACE
Enough to see my saviour's face,
May every day possess within it
The time to live a prayerful minute ...]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:04:11 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Linda</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Topping like Swan was Christian in his writing, Sydney Carter is another of that generation and style.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2004 19:18:49 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Marian-NYC</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I didn't know that, but I'm not suprised.

After the death of Michael Flanders, Swann wrote songs with a fellow named TOPPING, and they did one album.  It's more artsy and less funny, but worth listening to.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2004 19:14:34 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Linda</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Flanders and Swan are brilliant.  Did you know that Swan was the first to set Tolkien's LOTR poems to music?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:44:27 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Marian-NYC</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Linda, that verse reminds me of Mel Brooks as &quot;the 2000-year-old man&quot; describing how in cave-dwelling times each cave had an anthem.  He sings the anthem of his own cave:

&quot;All the rest can go to hell
Except Cave Sevent-Six!&quot;

AND Flanders &amp; Swann decided that the British needed a really rousing anthem of their own, something to rival the &quot;La Marseillaise&quot; and &quot;Deutchland Uber Alles&quot; (which they translate: &quot;German, German Overalls&quot;).  So they wrote a song in which each verse puts down people of other nations, and the chorus goes:

&quot;The English, the English,
The English are best--
I wouldn't give tuppence
For all of the rest!&quot;

Now there's poetry for you!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 00:26:58 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Pam Adams</author>
      <description><![CDATA[And trying to rhyme 'arise' and 'enemies' probably drove people nuts!

pam]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2004 21:21:53 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Linda</author>
      <description><![CDATA[As a girl guide I had to learn the first and third verses of our anthem.  It took a while to find out what the second verse said, once found I could see why it was not popular.

O Lord our God, arise,
Scatter our enemies
And make them fall.
Confound there politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks;
On Thee our hopes we fix;
God save us all.


I believe the enemies to be scattered were the Scottish Jacobites under the young pretender, who wanted to restore the Stuarts and the Catholic church.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2004 21:13:27 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Hugh Clary</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I may have mentioned this before, but note the internal rhymes in line five of each stanza which then rhyme with the last word in line six - a technique repeated in each stanza.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2004 17:26:19 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Pam Adams</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I read an anecdote somewhere that said that during WWII, if someone was suspected of being a spy for the Nazis, they were asked &quot;What's the second verse of the Star Spangled Banner?&quot;  If they knew, clearly they were guilty.

pam]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:49:56 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Marian-NYC</author>
      <description><![CDATA[
I think &quot;singers always add extra twiddles&quot; because they are trying to keep the crowd listening, or because they like to add twiddles to everything they sing.  

But Linda raised the topic of  the national anthem -- which was a POEM before someone decided to make a SONG of it.  So here are ALL THE VERSES.  It's hard to read these words without hearing the melody, but those who feel like it can TRY:


The Star Spangled Banner
(The Defense of Fort McHenry)
September 20, 1814

by Francis Scott Key

Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wiped out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: &quot;In God is our trust.&quot;
And the star-spangled banner forever shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:36:41 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Linda</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I happen to think that the words to Amazing Grace speak to me, but the usual tune turns me right off.  Why do singers always add extra twiddles?  Come to that, if Americans are so respectful of their flag, why do they accept the way singers mangle their anthem?  I watched quite a bit of baseball coverage last season and the anthem was mucked about with most games.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:49:04 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Talia</author>
      <description><![CDATA[ I totally agree with you, Rhonda.  I think Natalie Merchant is an awesome poet!  Sara Groves as well.  I'm sure I can think of many others, those are the ones that come to mind at the moment.  I also can think of a lot of songs (songs I like, albeit) that are prbably pretty bad poetry.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:31:55 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>-Les-</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Rhonda, you might be interested in reading some of the quotes on this link:




Les]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2004 05:40:26 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Rhonda</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Am I wierd or am I the only one who reads page after page of lyrics for the poetry alone. Many musicians are writers and artists and I enjoy thier poetry. Jewel is a poet and so is peter Jenkins form third Eye blind-I read just as many lyrics as I do &quot;pure&quot; poetry. Yes some music is poetry as far as I am concernd. Ok I am wierd but I'm happy!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:53:25 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Russ</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Just leave the music part out and ask if lyrics are poetry. Sure they are sometimes!.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:30:18 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>julian</author>
      <description><![CDATA[

Are lyrics poetry?
Is music poetry? 

This I think was the question... but all replies seem to be answering the question..&quot;are music lyrics poetry&quot;..I think music can evoke emotions as can poetry..unless perhaps one is profoundly deaf but it remains that music is music it is not poetry..thats what I reckon!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:48:27 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>-Les-</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Bump, for Jean-Paul.

Les]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:06:29 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Jean-Paul</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Although music can have poetic overtones and vice-versa, they can be two separate things.
Strictly speaking, music is the result of the combining (in a mathematical sense) of bits of audio information. I say that the act of describing other sensory images as poetry can of itself be described as poetry. Poetry, which can also be spoken and therefore would be audio-sensory, is the combining of images of all sorts, be they visual, audio, situational etc.
Poetry is not just one form. It can be many things.
Poetry, when spoken, can be music; however, other elements contribute to a musical experience: time, setting, environmental upbringing, the listener's health and frame of mind etc.
Poetry is a special means of communicating information that allows the reader (or listener for that matter) to experience what the message sender experiences.
Communication, in its most basic form, conveys information. There is a sender and a receiver and there are a myriad of factors that affect the success of the message transmission.
I like to compare poetry's role in communication to the role our wonderfully crafted senses play in allowing us to interface with our sphere of reality.
We need food to survive. Do we need to taste it to the degree of enjoyment that we do?
Do odors need to smell so good (at times) and when they do, why do we enjoy them so much? Why do certain combinations of sounds provoke intense emotions? Why does a lover's face calm a troubled heart?
My point is that poetry, music and any other art form are merely classifications of creative communication that add depth to our existance. They are different from pure information communication.
In addition to the role they play in conveying raw information, they allow us to establish a connection with each other through which we exist.
In answer to your question, Yes and No. The beauty of art is that it allows us to see the same thing from different perspectives. Naturally, nothing can be seen if it isn't conveyed to be seen.
When I listen to my children quoting poetry, it is music. My heart sings along with it. A painting can be poetry.
Successful art (in any form) happens when the person creating it conveys to the person experiencing the art exactly what he/ or she is experiencing.

J.P. Bonhomme

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      <pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:50:23 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>guest</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Lyrics that speak to  one's heart like a poem are just as satisfying and have an added dimension, music.  I would say  that though they are technically different forms of writing they  both  touch the soul and often articulate one's feelings more perfectly than mere thought.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:39:11 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Marian-NYC</author>
      <description><![CDATA[
Someone -- I think it was Ella Fitzgerald or someone who was talking about Ella -- said that skat is when the vocalist has a SOLO like a trumpet solo or a drum solo, but using the voice to &quot;play&quot; variations on the melody.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:51:43 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Talia</author>
      <description><![CDATA[But what does Skat mean?

Skat is the name of my cat, it’s my spokesperson, my mascot. Skat is also a term used in the world of jazz meaning singing without using actual words, such as : skip be doo wa doo wop be do. Can you hear it?!? 


http://www.skatmultimedia.com/history.htm


Or, Hugh, maybe they just aint no good at poety.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:31:35 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Hugh Clary</author>
      <description><![CDATA[
Skatting - that's when you can't remember the words to the song, right?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:04:56 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Talia</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I guess you are definitely right about the shoo-bop thing....and what about the jazz-age &quot;skatting&quot;?  I don't think that would qualify for poetry...except maybe by a beat nic's standards.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:52:14 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>IanB</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Well said, Marian-NYC.

Some hymns, carols and anthems read well as poetry in their own right, though hard to disassociate from their well known tunes.   Others have second-rate words that would fail to stir without the stirring music.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:19:32 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Marian-NYC</author>
      <description><![CDATA[
&quot;... beats the Belles of Tennessee.&quot;

(Sorry, just had to get that over with.)


Take a poem you love and imagine setting it to music.  You may find that you need to repeat certain lines or part of lines or &quot;la la la&quot; or &quot;yeah yeah yeah.&quot;  What you create is a lyric based on the poem -- which doesn't make the poem any less wonderful.  Likewise, if there's a song lyric that you love, you may be able to promote it better as POETRY if you remove the repetitions and &quot;ooh la la la&quot; and &quot;shoop shoop&quot; stuff.  

I mention this because I don't think it's useful to say that song lyrics ARE or ARE NOT poetry.  Some are, some aren't.  Of the ones that are, some are good and some aren't.  But you can't make a judgment about their qualities unless you set aside the features that are explicitly musical.

Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Shoo-bop, shoo-bop,
Ooooh!

MARIAN]]></description>
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      <title>Re: Music Poetry?</title>
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      <author>Linda</author>
      <description><![CDATA[You shouldn't have told me that, I can't get the tune out of my head. :-(
It rather affects the mood of the poem as well.]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:33:34 +0100</pubDate>
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