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You frowned like thunder
Posted by: Alexandra Kilpatrick (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: May 13, 2003 05:39PM

I have a feeling from scrolling through some earlier requests that Marian NYC is the source of all lost poems - you are amazing! but I am appealing to anyone who can help me with this one - all I caught of it was something about "you frowned like thunder..." thank you!


Re: poem search
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 13, 2003 05:44PM


I think it's actually ILZA who reigns supreme in the Department of Lost Poetry...

Nevertheless, here's a candidate for yours:



"Johnny" by W.H. Auden

O the valley in the summer where I and my John
Beside the deep river would walk on and on
While the flowers at our feet and the birds up above
Argued so sweetly on reciprocal love,
And I leaned on his shoulder; 'O Johnny, let's play':
But he frowned like thunder and he went away.

O that Friday near Christmas as I well recall
When we went to the Charity Matinee Ball,
The floor was so smooth and the band was so loud
And Johnny so handsome I felt so proud;
'Squeeze me tighter, dear Johnny, let's dance till it's day':
But he frowned like thunder and he went away.

Shall I ever forget at the Grand Opera
When music poured out of each wonderful star?
Diamonds and pearls they hung dazzling down
Over each silver or golden silk gown;
'O John I'm in heaven,' I whispered to say:
But he frowned like thunder and he went away.

O but he was as fair as a garden in flower,
As slender and tall as the great Eiffel Tower,
When the waltz throbbed out on the long promenade
O his eyes and his smile they went straight to my heart;
'O marry me, Johnny, I'll love and obey':
But he frowned like thunder and he went away.

O last night I dreamed of you, Johnny, my lover,
You'd the sun on one arm and the moon on the other,
The sea it was blue and the grass it was green,
Every star rattled a round tambourine;
Ten thousand miles deep in a pit there I lay:
But you frowned like thunder and you went away.

April 1937


Re: poem search
Posted by: Pam Adams (---)
Date: May 13, 2003 05:49PM

Yeah, but I think you win the 'speed' competition. Five minutes between post and response.

pam


Re: poem search
Posted by: Alexandra Kilpatrick (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: May 13, 2003 06:04PM

Thank you! I had for some reason been dredging my shelves for a female poet and driving myself mad. Do you have a great search engine or a marvellous memory for reference?


Re: poem search
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 13, 2003 06:19PM

Just plain old MSN search.

(And a burdensome memory, but that's not what I used today.)

If I have an edge, it's in deciding what to search FOR. In your case, the words are in the poem exactly as you remembered them, but in many cases I assume that the words are mis-remembered--otherwise the poem would have been found already--so I search for the words in combination but not as a string.


Re: poem search
Posted by: Alexandra Kilpatrick (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: May 14, 2003 08:32PM

Hm, clearly Google just isn't good on poetry! Sorry about the delay in response - I am in UK so somewhat time-lagged as well as zoned. The Poetry Library in London has just opened in new premises on the South Bank, and I think they will have a search facility on their website from later this summer.


Re: poem search
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.MCLNVA23.covad.net)
Date: May 14, 2003 09:18PM


Hm, clearly Google just isn't good on poetry!

[www.google.com];


Re: poem search
Posted by: Alexandra Kilpatrick (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: May 14, 2003 09:29PM

Hugh, this is brilliant - I had been looking for poetry quotation search sites... as Marian said, knowing what to look for is half the answer. Thanks!


Re: poem search
Posted by: Pam Adams (---)
Date: May 15, 2003 01:21PM

I don't think that the site matters so much- Marian-NYC uses MSN, I prefer Google, but it's learning 'how to search' that's the key. After a while, you get a feeling for what words or lines are likely to yield results.

pam


Re: poem search
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 15, 2003 02:37PM

Yes (to what Pam said) ... and the stranger the combination of words, the better.

One time I got to search for [virgin + juggler] -- how often in a lifetime will you get to do that?

And here's a helpful hint I picked up. When you want biographical information about someone, DO NOT search for ["Thomas Kidd" + biography]. That will get you sites that sell published books (biographies) about Kidd. Instead, search for ["Thomas Kidd" + bio], and you'll find sites that offer brief biographies of Kidd.


Re: poem search
Posted by: Pam Adams (---)
Date: May 15, 2003 04:16PM

>One time I got to search for [virgin + juggler] -- how often in a lifetime >will you get to do that?

Were you looking for the story, Our Lady's Juggler?

pam


Re: poem search
Posted by: Alexandra Kilpatrick (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: May 15, 2003 06:04PM

Our Lady's Juggler - this is intriguing - is it a novel?


Re: poem search
Posted by: Pam Adams (---)
Date: May 15, 2003 07:24PM

A short story- there are many versions. Here's one: [www.dl.ket.org] />
pam


Re: poem search
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.MCLNVA23.covad.net)
Date: May 15, 2003 08:40PM


for woman is the enemy of strong men, as we learn by the story of
Samson which written in the Scriptures.

Truer words ... Can I have an Amen! to that, brothers? Yea, verily.


Re: poem search
Posted by: Talia (---.ply.kconline.com)
Date: May 15, 2003 11:16PM

But Samson was the stupid one who told his secret to Delilah. And why did he tell her? Men always get themselves in trouble for the same reason.


Re: poem search
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 16, 2003 11:57AM

Pam, I wondered if someone would guess!

Yes, I was looking for "The Juggler of Notre Dame" a-k-a "Our Lady's Juggler."

For those who've never heard of it: That's a story by Anatole France, about a poor juggler who tries to offer his art as a gift to "Our Lady"; the church leaders are scandalized but just as they're about to punish the little guy, a statue of the Virgin comes to life and blesses him.

It's written in a form reminiscent of old folk tales, and it's often mistakenly referred to AS an old French folk tale ... but when you think about it, it's obviously an allegory about censorship. And with beautiful irony, that story (along with the rest of Anatole France's writings) was BANNED by the Catholic Church in France just a year before he was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature. Whoa... I mean... y'know?


Re: poem search
Posted by: Jack (---.eapplied.com)
Date: May 16, 2003 12:23PM

I'm, like... Yeah!?, Ya know? I SOOO get it. Ya know!?


Re: poem search
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 16, 2003 02:58PM

Totally.


Re: poem search
Posted by: Jack (---.southg01.mi.comcast.net)
Date: May 16, 2003 04:57PM

Duuuuuude! I, like, TOTALLY fergott 'Totally'!

Whoooah!


Re: poem search
Posted by: Patricia Smith (---.providentcompanies.com)
Date: June 14, 2004 12:33PM

Iím trying hard to figure out just who Iím suppose to be.
I guess it is very hard for you to watch these changes in me
Iím up, Iím down, Iím inside out, my whole world is getting out of hand.
These feelings that Iím feeling even I do understand.
These growing pains can be so bad I want to run and hide
I donít feel sure of anything, Iím all confused inside.

Iíd like some space some private time so I can think things through
But please donít close the door to tight for what I need is you.
Keep planning, keep dreaming but remember Iím me
For if your dreams are to fulfilled mine will never be
If trophies and accomplishments are few
Perhaps you could proud of what I didnít do
Because in this world it is very hard to turn and walk away
And no is not an easy word, despite what some may say
I love you both more than you will ever known
And if I know that love wonít stop no matter what I do
Than in the very worst of times that love will pull me though.

This is all I can remember, please help me find this poem. Patty Smith


Re: poem search
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-04rh16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: June 14, 2004 01:27PM

Trolling is forbidden here, sorry.


Re: poem search
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: June 14, 2004 02:25PM

How about fishing for compliments?


Re: poem search
Posted by: Pam Adams (---.bus.csupomona.edu)
Date: June 14, 2004 02:44PM

Huh?

pam


Re: poem search
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: June 14, 2004 02:51PM

Pam, Hugh said "trolling" was forbidden, and I was being facetious (as usual)

I took his use of trolling to be in a fishing sense, and not the "under the bridge, billy goats gruff" type


Re: poem search
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: June 14, 2004 03:19PM

Ian told me it was the fishing sense when I thought billy goats (and had to explain the reference)


Re: poem search
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: June 14, 2004 03:31PM

Good Gosh ! Now I am REALLY confused!

MY "understanding" of trolls and trolling in chat rooms and forums, was that the "troll" was a dirty old man (or at least a disgusting man of any age), who hung out in search of vulnerable young women.

So I assumed it was the troll under the bridge. Hmmmmm.......


Re: poem search
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: June 14, 2004 06:06PM

Ian said it was like trolling for fish except that the troller was trying to entice someone innocent into an argument.


Re: poem search
Posted by: shawna (---.bchsia.telus.net)
Date: June 14, 2004 06:40PM

I need help on disecting the poem How do I love thee by Elizabeth Barrett Browning. Could someone help me? Thanks


Re: You frowned like thunder
Posted by: lg (---.trlck.ca.charter.com)
Date: June 14, 2004 08:35PM

Shawna, go to the Homework Assistance forum. Use the search feature at the top of the listings. Type in Elizabeth Barrett Browning, you will find many previous discussions of the poem.

Les


Re: You frowned like thunder
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: June 15, 2004 01:59PM

Ah, ok....trying to entice into an argument rather than goad ! the BAIT !

sound familiar, anyone?




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