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poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: December 13, 2002 11:17PM

NORTHCOUNTRY PLEDGES

In the name of the broad-boled Douglas fir in the back yard
where the moon lies tangled six branches deep,

I swear
that when you laugh into my mouth I will swallow the sound
like champagne; it will bubble in my blood forever.

In the name of the the most elegantly black-and-white patterned
loon with its cold, amber eyes and eerily falsetto cry,

I swear
that when you fussily and didactically plant tulip bulbs,
you seed flowers in some dry wasteland of my being.

In the name of the great horse-headed moose lunging
from the lake at dusk with its broad, black antlers
streaming a galaxy of lily pads,

I swear
that I will love you imperfectly, unwisely,
and to the best of my frailties.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: JP (---.tnt1.rochelle.il.da.uu.net)
Date: December 13, 2002 11:42PM

This is wonderful, because you took me there with your vivid images. I can stand with you and see and hear as you, through your words. This is poetry.
JP


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: David-S (203.48.21.---)
Date: December 14, 2002 12:22AM

Wow there is some really intense imagery here. I love the lines:

I swear
that when you laugh into my mouth I will swallow the sound
like champagne; it will bubble in my blood forever.

I'm really impressed - every line drips with beauty. My only problem is with the flow of the piece... maybe some punctual punctuality would help (though its hardly my forte so I can't offer any suggestions here. The other thing that I found that threw me off was the rigididty of the structure; I found that the constant repitition of 'In the name of...' prevented me from being utterly absorbed by the piece. But hey, thats probably only me.

And it could just be that living in Australia I've never actually seen a real moose or a douglas fir, and don't even know what a loon is!


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Brucefur (---.ca.shawcable.net)
Date: December 14, 2002 12:24AM

Superb! I will certainly be recommending this one... only now you silly goose, you have me wanting to head up to my cabin where there are loons on the lake (well probable not now that it is frozen!) and douglas firs scattered over the property. Not many moose there though as it is bear and deer country, the moose are where I am living now, in Prince George, BC.

From your IP address, it looks like you are from the USA, is that correct (apololgies if I am mistaken)?

Anyway, this piece is superlative, amazing and has achieved perfection.

hats off to you


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Sargirl (---.maine.rr.com)
Date: December 14, 2002 12:54AM

i don't have a hat, but you can bet I love this!
wow!
I love the images!
Sarah


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: December 14, 2002 01:16AM

Thanks, JP. I'm an image-oriented kinda person. Your comments are treasured.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: December 14, 2002 01:19AM

Hey, JP! Taking you there with me is the point, now isn't it? Thanks for your comments.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: J.H. SUMMERS (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: December 14, 2002 01:20AM

Northcountrwoman, This is a terrific poem. Well thought out, great imagery. Have not seen you here before, welcome. jhs


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: December 14, 2002 01:37AM

Eeeek! I think I just replied twice to the same person! Oh well. Who among us is perfect. Errrrrrr.....not a real question.

The shape of this piece troubled me from the beginning, and still does. You are very perceptive.

The shape is an experiment--maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.

Whether you've seen a real live moose or Douglas fir is irrelevant.

Thanks for your comments --


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Noloco (---.vp.centurytel.net)
Date: December 14, 2002 03:55AM

Welcome aboard for i don't know you.But the poem needs another title. Nice work great imagery no doubt. I enjoyed the read much much. Very good job with words.

"To write something, you have to risk making a fool of yourself." Anne Rice


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Brucefur (---.ca.shawcable.net)
Date: December 14, 2002 05:11AM

Nolon,

What is wrong with North-Country Pledges? As a title, it works just fine for me.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Noloco (---.vp.centurytel.net)
Date: December 14, 2002 05:21AM

Lmao i thought it was just her name. Is this some dumb nolon moment ?
Though it was a different name eh haha.

"To write something, you have to risk making a fool of yourself." Anne Rice


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: The Shah of Blah (---.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
Date: December 17, 2002 10:16PM

Whether seeing a moose or not is quite irrelevant. I have missed seeing on but this piece is extremely good. The words, shapes and images have a perfect flow. Wonderful work.

Two fingers none the wiser


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: December 17, 2002 10:21PM

Yup, I'm in the USofA, and many thanks for your kind comments!


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: David-S (---.netspace.net.au)
Date: December 17, 2002 10:30PM

Yikes! I didn't know my little comment at the end of my critique would be fastened on to such an extent. Especially it was said in pure light-heartedness. Of course it doesn't matter if I've never seen a moose, or a fir, or a loon..... I was meaning to be joking.

Sigh, oh well, sorry for my oblique comments. What should be focused on is the fact that this is truly a beautiful piece. While I find the shape/flow of the poem a little problematic (and I do mean a little - there have been quarks bigger than my problem), my overiding feelings are awe and wonderment. Gawd, if only I could paint such landscapes and love with my words I would dance a jig of joy.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Stephen L. Edge (63.122.164.---)
Date: December 18, 2002 10:45AM

Welcome, Northcountrywoman.
I loved the poem and imagery. One image didn't work for me.
"you seed flowers in some dry wasteland of my being,..."

I felt as if you were incapable of responding to the seeds
because you were a dry wasteland where nothing would ever grow.
Perhaps another image where the seeds replenish the ground and make the wasteland fertile, moist and reproductive in some way.

I look forward to your future posts,
Sledge


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Jay (---.system42.com)
Date: December 18, 2002 11:09AM

Welcome to the forum. This is an exceptional piece. I look forward to reading more of your poetry.

Thanks for sharing,

Jay


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Chesil (12.28.244.---)
Date: December 20, 2002 10:18AM

I am not sure if I should critique this again or not....but hey, why not!

If I've told you once, I've told you a gazillion times that boled is a horrible word and should be removed! Maybe, I'll go back to plan A and let the maple off and direct the chainsaw at the Douglas Fir to avoid future inspirations of this sort.

Other than boled, I still like this piece a lot. I think the structure is fine and the repetitions of I swear and then the In the name of are an integral part of the structure and to remove them would take the heart out of the poem.

I am still a little uneasy that streaming a galaxy is a mixed metaphor.

BTW. I may plant the tulip bulbs fussily, but never didactically


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Terry Johnson (---.tnt1.alamagordo.nm.da.uu.net)
Date: December 20, 2002 11:22AM

Bold is a perfectly good word, if used properly as in "Bold peanuts" meaning to be cooked in water exceeding 212 F.

I agree with David, I had to add a comma here and there to make it flow. Having said that, there is another amongst us who paints with words. You have joined her. I have oft gazed upon Douglas fir and moose, and enjoyed the sight of both. I did it again above.
Disagreement with Mr. Edge, I pictured a wasteland that will soon bloom with astromeria and dandy-lions and all between. Converting said wasteland to a garden. Or to be precise, a soul that has been awakened and will soon flower of it own volition.
Please do this again.

Terry


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Chesil (12.28.244.---)
Date: December 20, 2002 11:29AM

boled in this context wasn't a typo for bold, Terry. northcountrywoman and I have had a fairly lengthy debate about this word offline - we are good friends and she will know I am teasing....again...though I'll never be persuaded that boled is a fine word for the poem!


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Brucefur (---.ca.shawcable.net)
Date: December 20, 2002 12:05PM

Let me just say, that being from northern Canada, where Douglas Firs are plentiful, I think that the word bole (the diameter of a tree) works just fine, and better in fact than broad, as it is less common, and therefore less mundane. In combining the two, Northcountrywoman (Ack! what a name!) describes a great grandfatherly old growth tree perfectly.

I too agree with Terry (paramedics standing by!) as to the seeding. However, I had no problem with the puncuation, so perhaps it is because you pronounce Louisville as monosyllabic? ;o)

Lastly, with regards to the streaming galaxies of lily pads. I am not sure that it is truly a mixed metaphor, Chesil. After all, the universe is not static, and the galaxies do in fact flow, if not necessarily in the manner that we are accustomed to.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Terry Johnson (---.tnt1.alamagordo.nm.da.uu.net)
Date: December 20, 2002 12:08PM

I really do understand that. I can use "boled" in a sentence. I still don't agree with you on the word, users of English have said "bole" and "boled" for centurys. Doesn't make it bad. Sometimes it is the only word that works. Try other words to say the same thing and see which is best. Broad trunked???? Wide bottomed????? I think not. Put me down for broad-boled. My favorite in this work is "Six branches deep".

Terry


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Chesil (12.28.244.---)
Date: December 20, 2002 12:20PM

We'll agree to disagree. Boled is a terrible word and in view of the emerging from the lake and all the other watery stuff going on, I'll be sticking to my view that galaxy is not the right word too!


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: JP (---.tnt1.rochelle.il.da.uu.net)
Date: September 20, 2003 05:35PM

Bump for Les.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: omantic_53 (63.142.7.---)
Date: September 20, 2003 08:17PM

Welcome Northcountrywoman, I enjoyed it. I too, were taken on a journey of visuals with your poetry......

It was different and hey....everybody knows ..I like different....



Keep up the good work and I shall be following one step behindsmiling smiley


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: LG (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: September 20, 2003 11:39PM

Thanks JP, I do not recall reading this though I'm sure I must have. Great style you have NCW.

Les


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: September 21, 2003 10:27AM

Thanks for the comments, omantic and Les! This was fun to write.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: -Les- (---.trlck.ca.charter.com)
Date: December 26, 2003 03:20PM

Another example of NCW's fine work.

Les


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Chesil (---.clvdoh.adelphia.)
Date: December 28, 2003 05:56PM

It was and is a fine poem but I still don't like boled smiling smiley

I never did take the chain saw to the maple or the Douglas Fir. Plenty of time yet though.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: December 28, 2003 07:58PM

Thanks, Les! I was surprised to see this one again.

Chesil--step BACK from the chain saw! smiling smiley


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Debutant (---.range81-152.btcentralplus.com)
Date: December 29, 2003 07:02PM

I like this poem. Just to add fuel to fire. I do not like boled, sounds nasty. Nor do I like holed or poled.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-01rh15-16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: December 30, 2003 12:14PM

Could you be cajoled to be rolled, were one so bold?


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Chesil (---.clvdoh.adelphia.)
Date: December 30, 2003 05:57PM

NCW

Woodman, spare that tree you say.

That maple needs to go. The yard would be far brighter without it. The Douglas fir may yet survive smiling smiley

Hugh, your wit bowled me over!


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Jean-Paul (---.nt.net)
Date: December 30, 2003 08:43PM

northcountrywoman,

I love your poem. Great use of imagery to emphasize commitment to someone else.


Hugh,

That's old as gold (or so I'm told)

"I "Love Summer more than I hate Winter"


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: December 31, 2003 10:05AM

Thanks for reading, Debutant. I did try words other than boled, but simply couldn't find anything else that worked better. Broad trunked--ugh! That just thunks--heh, heh--a mini-pome! trunk/thunk... errrrr...sorry, I've been painting and the fumes are getting to me.

Hugh--find your own damn rhymes! smiling smiley

Chesil--there are endangered spotted owls living in all my trees, so their environment (ALL the trees) are protected by the Government. Sorry 'bout that.

Jean-Paul--thanks so much for your comments!

Ya'all drive carefully now, if you'll be out tonight. Best of wishes for a great new year!

NCW


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Chesil (---.clvdoh.adelphia.)
Date: December 31, 2003 07:27PM

NCW, there are no spotted owls, just a large raccoon, if you recall.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: JP (---.tnt1.rochelle.il.da.uu.net)
Date: January 01, 2004 02:28AM

If she says there are spotted owls, then damn it, there are spotted owls.
Why do men want to go around chopping things down anyway?

Happy New Year.

JP


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Chesil (---.clvdoh.adelphia.)
Date: January 01, 2004 07:38AM

JP, that's easy for you to say, it wasn't your life at risk from the giant raccoon. I bravely drove it off whilst wearing only my nightwear while ncw cowered in the house! I don't even recall being rewarded with tea for my efforts!


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: January 01, 2004 11:52AM

There are herds and herds of spotted owls in the trees! What is a bunch of owls called, anyhow? It's a murder of crows...

Chesil, I think leaning an inch or two out of the patio door and whispering 'take a hike, bloody beast' in a British accent is more the act of a foolhardy person than that of an exceptionally brave one. There's no proof that the whatever was a raccoon, anyhow. It could as easily have been a rabid bear. The wise person, when made aware that there is some huge animal cavorting on the roof, screams loudly for a while and then puts the covers over her head. That can hardly be called cowering!


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: JP (---.tnt1.rochelle.il.da.uu.net)
Date: January 01, 2004 01:04PM

Maybe it's a hoot of owls. Your escapade was certainly a hoot, my first laugh of the new year.

Thankyou,

JP


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.phoenix-01rh15-16rt.az.dial-access.att.net)
Date: January 01, 2004 01:05PM


What is a bunch of owls called, anyhow?

A parliament.

Not to mention a wunch of old bankers.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Chesil (---.clvdoh.adelphia.)
Date: January 01, 2004 02:49PM

Hey, who you calling a wunch?!

A far better term would be a lunch of old bankers.

ncw, you were the one decided that it was merely a raccoon, though months later when the sight of it's feet sinking into the patio roof was forgotten!


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: January 01, 2004 04:08PM

The great big whatever may have been slouching towards Bethlehem to be born. There! Just wrenched this right back into the poetic arena.

Chesil--I think it might have been a moose. smiling smiley

Parliament! Thanks, Hugh.

JP--Yup, there's dozens of parliaments of spotted owls littering the now safe trees! Guys like to chop down trees--it's genetic and cannot be held against them. Look at George Washington and the cherry tree. Though this is supposed to be an invented story, I say--ha! He did it, and probably took out a few maples and firs too.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: JP (---.tnt1.rochelle.il.da.uu.net)
Date: January 01, 2004 04:47PM

I've heard of partridges in pear trees, but a moose in a fir tree, nah.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Chesil (---.clvdoh.adelphia.)
Date: January 01, 2004 05:36PM

JP, this would have been a moose in a maple. Nicely alliterative.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Jack? (---.southg01.mi.comcast.net)
Date: January 01, 2004 08:17PM

Hugh-

Most of the Americans here (JP & Chesil excluded) are baffled by your 'wunch' transposition. I didn't take it personally as I am not THAT old!


Jack


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: JP (---.tnt1.rochelle.il.da.uu.net)
Date: January 01, 2004 10:41PM

wanker

Derogatory term used to infuriate Americans as they don't know what it means.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: JP (---.tnt1.rochelle.il.da.uu.net)
Date: January 02, 2004 12:50AM

Sorry for such tacky conversation on your thread NCW.
Hugh started it.

JP



Post Edited (01-01-04 23:52)


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: January 02, 2004 09:33AM

Was the conversation tacky?? Then obviously Hugh started it, the berk!


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: IanB (---.tnt11.mel1.da.uu.net)
Date: January 02, 2004 10:28AM

I really like this one, Northcountrywoman. Great gusto. Combining a sort of mad Celtic excess with something of the unexpected imagery of Latin American writing. Can't think why Chesil objects to 'broad-boled'; but retaining that expression, is there another adjective you could use for the moose's antlers, to avoid repeating 'broad'. (Not that that repetition jars). The title is just fine. Making one word of Northcountry fits the poem's overall eccentricity.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-04rh16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: January 02, 2004 12:39PM


Berk!? Ncw, just be grateful I did not give you my limerick on 'for whom the Tells bowled'.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: January 02, 2004 12:40PM

Ian--thanks for your comments! As I recall, this one galloped out as an antidote to working on sonnets, which is enough to drive anyone mad, even assuming they were marginally sane to begin with.

In truth, I was more concerned about using 'broad' twice than by using boled--you be right on target there! I kept it, of course, for the alliteration, and because I wanted a one-syllable word there, and because by the time I got to that point--hell, what did one more poetic sin matter? smiling smiley A couple of possibilities: blunt or bland. Whatcha think?

ncw


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: twotenranch (---.29.161.198.Dial1.ElPaso1.Level3.net)
Date: January 07, 2004 01:42AM

You need to keep the boled! Let the illeterates curse your shoe prints if they must.
Some things, like vampires never seem to die do they?

CUT THE TREES... ONE AND EVERY ONE!!! As we have seen in Montana the last couple of journeys around ol Sol,, if you don't cut them, they're gonna burn.. my banker prefers that somewhat.
Spotted owls..huh? You can't make a house, nor a roll of toilet paper out of a spotted owl... which by the by lives just fine in culverts.
CUT THEM!!!

Terry


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: -Les- (---.trlck.ca.charter.com)
Date: January 07, 2004 01:52AM

Terry, it's a good thing I read the classics, Gordon Lightfoot, Peter, Paul and Mary, Dylan...otherwise I wouldn't know what you're talking about.

Gotta good beat! I'll give it an 85.


Les


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: January 07, 2004 02:33AM

I'm snowbound and drunk.

Were we all arguing about something? Words? I vote for them. Giggle.

ncw


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: D-a-d (---.196-200-80.adsl.skynet.be)
Date: January 09, 2004 08:54PM


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: M.P. (---.dialup.sunysb.edu)
Date: January 19, 2004 02:12AM

Wow, this is really good. Personally I can't see any flaws in this poem. I really love it. =)


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: Gwydion (209.53.139.---)
Date: January 19, 2004 12:06PM



NCW,

One could not ask for more from another human being:

I swear
that I will love you imperfectly, unwisely,
and to the best of my frailties.

Truly a beautiful piece, thank you for sharing it with all of us.


It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. (Aristotle)


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: January 25, 2004 10:48PM

Thanks D-a-d--high praise indeed!

M.P. and Gywdion -- thank you for reading, and for your kind comments!

ncw


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: psychofemale (---.accel.atl.earthlink.net)
Date: January 25, 2004 10:51PM

i seriously loved this.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: JustJack (12.46.184.---)
Date: January 02, 2005 04:47AM

Last bump for the day.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: drpeternsz (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: January 02, 2005 05:42AM

There is not a smidgen of trite or cliche in this woman's saying.

Peter, for such excellence under all conditions.


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: northcountrywoman (24.21.171.---)
Date: January 02, 2005 11:22PM

Thanks for bumping this, JustJack--it was a fun one to write and startling to see it again!

Peter--thanks much for your comments.

Best of wishes to all emulers for a great New Year!

ncw


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: LRye (---.brmngh01.mi.comcast.net)
Date: January 03, 2005 12:43AM

I love the title and wish I could speak to nature as eloquently
and passionately as you do. I share your passion though.

xoxo,

Lisa


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: petersz (67.188.236.---)
Date: January 16, 2012 02:32PM

bump


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: hpesoj (68.199.58.---)
Date: January 26, 2012 10:14AM

Northcountrywoman was one of the finest poets who contributed to this sight. I think Les may have created an anthology of her posted work; if not, I hope sommeday he will. This bump has reminded me of how beautiful the English language can be. Thanks Peter.

Joe


Re: poem for comment
Posted by: hpesoj (68.199.58.---)
Date: January 26, 2012 10:14AM

Northcountrywoman was one of the finest poets who contributed to this sight. I think Les may have created an anthology of her posted work; if not, I hope sommeday he will. This bump has reminded me of how beautiful the English language can be. Thanks Peter.

Joe




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