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Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.255.---)
Date: September 09, 2008 07:25AM

Oh really?


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: OhDear (63.25.202.---)
Date: September 10, 2008 12:22AM

Well, of course. It helps me be obnoxious.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.253.---)
Date: September 10, 2008 05:33AM

Well, at least you don't have to try too hard at it.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: UPMarty (71.86.181.---)
Date: September 21, 2008 10:48AM

I noticed that one of the music videos posted over on Lyric Central is no longer available due to a 'violation of terms of use'. I think we've had this conversation before....and certainly have been talking about such matters on mitts' (because les asked) thread, but could posting video links on Lyric Central (or perhaps on You Tube) be a violation?

Mary

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/2008 10:49AM by UPMarty.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: les712 (68.116.84.---)
Date: September 21, 2008 02:09PM

Mary, in order for the posting of a link to be a violation, the owner of the music rights would have to prove that the poster intended to profit by the posting, or infringe on the owner's ability to profit.

My stand on this is that if it is anywhere else on the web, then I'm within my rights to show people where it is. Generally speaking the publishers don't care about their lyrics being published, as a matter of fact they encourage that. But they don't want videos published by other publishers because of the potential profit they might make by publishing those videos themselves, and charging advertisers who advertise on their websites.

In a court of law, if you'll read the post called "Copyright" at the top of this page, you'll see that the plaintiff (publisher) has to prove that someone sought to profit from the publishing of their work, or that the defendant (copier) diminshed the owner's ability to profit.

Written works such as poems are inherently different, publishers would be hurt by indiscriminate publishing on the web. The publisher's thinking here is that no one would buy a book of poems if they could read all those poems for free on the internet.

E-mule certainly does not profit by providing links to lyrics or video, nor do they diminish anybody's ability to profit.


Les

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/2008 02:27PM by les712.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.253.---)
Date: September 21, 2008 11:00PM

Aye, the mule certainly gains very little from it, but consider this. We can merely avoid the entire problem by suggesting to our community that they merely search utube themselves. There is no reason to take any risk when the solution is so simple.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: UPMarty (71.86.181.---)
Date: September 21, 2008 11:03PM

Sounds good, Les. We are only posting links to something that is already on the internet. No worries about e-mule then. I suppose issues come up for You Tube, but I won't worry about that either. Thanks.

Mary


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: les712 (68.116.84.---)
Date: September 22, 2008 01:53AM

You Tube, which is owned now by Google did pull many videos which were published by Viacom, perhaps they include one that you saw posted here. Companies such as Viacom, and a few finicky artists, such as Prince will not allow internet access to live performances of their music. CBS and AOL, on the other hand, encourage sharing of music videos.

Percival, the idea of the "lyric" threads is simply to share the written verses with other people who obviously enjoy writing. The videos are incidental to the lyrics, which is the primary focus of the thread.


Les

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2008 02:05AM by les712.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.253.---)
Date: September 22, 2008 07:06AM

Incidental or otherwise, we completely avoid any problem by not posting videos. Why even take the risk when it takes a moment to go to utube on one's own?


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: les712 (68.116.84.---)
Date: September 22, 2008 11:40AM

I'll take the risk, Percival. Others can do as they wish.


Les


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.253.---)
Date: September 22, 2008 12:12PM

Well, I'm saying the risk is to the mule, not the individual. Shrug


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: les712 (68.116.84.---)
Date: September 22, 2008 12:34PM

Well, I'm saying the risk is to the mule, not the individual.

Percival, a publisher would have to prove that e-mule intended to profit from the posting of the links, which is ridiculous. This place makes NO profit. Secondly, they have no knowledge of what is posted here, since they don't read the threads. Hence, they could plead ignorance. Finally, all any court would ever do, is the same thing that YouTube has done from time to time, which is to remove a particular video. Quit being so paranoid.

Do you really think that I would post a link if I thought I (or a website I enjoy) could get in trouble by my doing so?


Les

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/23/2008 02:28AM by les712.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: UPMarty (71.86.181.---)
Date: September 22, 2008 08:44PM

I'm really sorry I asked.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (24.189.158.---)
Date: September 22, 2008 11:02PM

webiste ? Donde es mi tequila?


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: les712 (68.185.64.---)
Date: September 23, 2008 02:29AM

Dang, I didn't think anybody read this thread.

Les


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: September 23, 2008 02:46AM

Les,

Some weeks this is the ONLY thread I read.

Peter


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.246.---)
Date: September 23, 2008 03:57AM

Ha, I assure you, you'll know when I'm being paranoid. But if it's legal, I'm fine with it. I don't know the limits, and so will not take the risk, especially since it would be more than myself I would be risking. If you know the laws governing, do as you please, but if you don't, I ask that you do not.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: September 26, 2008 03:15AM

The books I bought at the library book sale today. I told Jack [Hirschman] he’d let one of my demons loose.

13 books

Denise Levertov The Great Unknowing: Last Poems
Denise Levertov Life in the Forest
Denise Levertov The freeing of the dust [duplicate]
*Denise Levertov Relearning the Alphabet

Kenneth Rexroth Women Poets of Japan with Ikuko Atsumi
*Kenneth Rexroth One Hundred Poems from the Japanese

*Theodor Roethke Words for the Wind
Lucien Stryk Zen Poems of China and Japan: The Crane’s Bill
with Takashi Ikemoto and Taigan Takayama
*LeRoi Jones The Dead Lecturer
Leslie Scalapino The Return of Painting, The Pearl, and Orion: A Trilogy

Danny P. Jackson The Epic of Gilgamesh
Earl Minor Japanese Poetic Diaries

Penguin Modern Poets 5: Gregory Corso, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Allen Ginsberg

*replenishing books I used to have, many moons ago.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: les712 (68.185.64.---)
Date: September 26, 2008 04:17AM

Peter, I had not read any of Leverton's poems. Some of them are posted at Poem Hunter. [www.poemhunter.com] />
Here's a sample:

Illustrious Ancestors

The Rav
of Northern White Russia declined,
in his youth, to learn the
language of birds, because
the extraneous did not interest him; nevertheless
when he grew old it was found
he understood them anyway, having
listened well, and as it is said, 'prayed
with the bench and the floor.' He used
what was at hand--as did
Angel Jones of Mold, whose meditations
were sewn into coats and britches.
Well, I would like to make,
thinking some line still taut between me and them,
poems direct as what the birds said,
hard as a floor, sound as a bench,
mysterious as the silence when the tailor
would pause with his needle in the air.


Denise Levertov


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (24.189.158.---)
Date: September 27, 2008 03:29PM

When will the Indian Government tell the truth about 7/11 ???


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: UPMarty (71.86.181.---)
Date: September 28, 2008 01:56AM

7/11?


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.245.---)
Date: September 28, 2008 03:25AM

The 7/11 chain of minimarts.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: September 28, 2008 04:10AM

3:30 am thank all 10,000 gods for 7/11!


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (24.189.158.---)
Date: September 28, 2008 10:22AM

7-Eleven is in a lot of places, but they're not ubiquitous, even here in the Northeast, you'll find what's called a Wawa instead

I think highly of 7-Eleven's coffee in my area,(as good as Dunkin'Donuts) but have had bad experiences in other parts of the country with it.

Same is true for Hess gas stations....great coffee here on Long Island, sucks elsewhere


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (24.189.158.---)
Date: September 28, 2008 10:23AM

A high proportion of 7-Elevens are owned by those of Indian (not woo-woo) descent


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: hpesoj (69.116.241.---)
Date: September 28, 2008 11:30AM

I always found the gas to be great at Hess stations around the country. It doesn't taste quite the same here.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/28/2008 11:31AM by hpesoj.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: October 02, 2008 01:56AM

New York City, NY – Award-winning journalist and host of Democracy Now!
Amy Goodman is the first journalist to receive the Right Livelihood
Award, widely recognized as the world's premier award for personal
courage and social transformation. The annual prize, also known as the
Alternative Nobel, will be awarded in the Swedish Parliament on December
8, 2008.

The Right Livelihood Award was established in 1980 to honor and support
those "offering practical and exemplary answers to the most urgent
challenges facing us today". Goodman has been selected for “developing
an innovative model of truly independent grassroots political journalism
that brings to millions of people the alternative voices that are often
excluded by the mainstream media.”

Pioneering the largest public media collaboration in the country,
Democracy Now! is a daily grassroots, global TV/radio/internet news hour
airing on more than 750 public radio and television stations and at
[www.democracynow.org.] />
Goodman said, “I am deeply honored that grassroots, independent
journalism and the hard work of my colleagues at Democracy Now! are
being recognized in these critical times. I strongly believe that media
can be a force for peace. It is the responsibility of journalists to
give voice to those who have been forgotten, forsaken and beaten down by
the powerful. It is the best reason I know to carry our pens, cameras
and microphones out into the world. The media should be a sanctuary for
dissent. It is our job to go to where the silence is.”

Goodman and two Democracy Now! producers were arrested last month at the
Republican National Convention while reporting on street demonstrations.
Charges were dropped after widespread public outcry. The video of
Goodman's arrest was among the most watched YouTube video's during the
convention week. It has now been viewed over 860,000 times.

Amy Goodman writes a weekly syndicated column with King Features which
runs in major newspapers throughout North and South America. She is
co-author with her brother, journalist David Goodman, of three New York
Times bestsellers: Standing Up To the Madness: Ordinary Heroes in
Extraordinary Times; Static: Government Liars, Media Cheerleaders, and
the People Who Fight Back; and The Exception to the Rulers: Exposing
Oily Politicians, War Profiteers, and the Media That Love Them.

Goodman’s reporting on East Timor and Nigeria won the George Polk Award,
the Robert F. Kennedy Prize for International Reporting, and the Alfred
I. DuPont-Columbia Award. Her other awards include the first ever
Communication for Peace Award presented by the World Association of
Christian Communication, the Puffin/Nation Institute Award for Creative
Citizenship, The Paley Center for Media “She Made It” Award, and the
Gracie Award for American Women in Radio and Television Public
Broadcasting. Goodman has also received awards from the Associated
Press, United Press International, and the Corporation for Public
Broadcasting.

Goodman shares the 2008 Right Livelihood Award with Krishnammal and
Sankaralingam Jagannathan of India, and their organisation, Land for the
Tillers’ Freedom, for their work dedicated to realising in practice the
Gandhian vision of social justice and sustainable human development;
Asha Hagi of Somalia “for continuing to lead at great personal risk the
female participation in the peace and reconciliation process in her
war-ravaged country.”; and Monika Hauser of Germany, gynaecologist and
founder of medica mondiale, “for her tireless commitment to working with
women who have experienced the most horrific sexualised violence in some
of the most dangerous countries in the world, and campaigning for them
to receive social recognition and compensation.”

For more information about the 2008 Right Livelihood Award, please visit
[www.rightlivelihood.org.] />
I like what she said about the role of the journalist here:


[Amy] Goodman said, “I am deeply honored that grassroots, independent
journalism and the hard work of my colleagues at Democracy Now! are
being recognized in these critical times. I strongly believe that media
can be a force for peace. It is the responsibility of journalists to
give voice to those who have been forgotten, forsaken and beaten down by
the powerful. It is the best reason I know to carry our pens, cameras
and microphones out into the world. The media should be a sanctuary for
dissent. It is our job to go to where the silence is.”


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: UPMarty (71.86.181.---)
Date: October 09, 2008 01:26AM

Some of you may have already seen this clip or watched Leno the night it was on, but think it's great and thought I'd post for anyone who hasn't seen it...(Wanda Sykes take on the bail out issue)

[jezebel.com] />
Mary


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: hpesoj (69.116.241.---)
Date: October 09, 2008 08:30AM

Wanda Sykes for Treasury Secretary!


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: October 18, 2008 04:27AM

Found this this evening:

John on Legal case against God dismissed No address? There's at least one building in most towns colloquially referred to as the 'house of god' - just use the address of one of those. Of course, actually serving an imaginery being with legal papers, even if he does own millions of homes around the world, might be a little harder!—from the Daily Irrelevant


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: October 18, 2008 05:25AM

I found this in my archives -- thought you might like to listen...just paste the http below into your browser line...[radio.indymedia.org] />
Home » Diamond Dave's Eighteenth Show
Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 2006-02-10 19:38
Author: Diamond Dave Whitaker
E-mail: dmndv@hotmail.com
Telephone: 415-440-5530
Address: SF, CA

17.4 MB
Feb 9, 2006 - A Mixed Bag of Valentines
Poets:
Peter Sherburn-Zimmer "Broadway Queen of 2004" "Underwater Music" "Love's Reasons" & reads from Confucius' "The Analects"

Elvis Christ "The Legend of Toxic Tom" "Both Barrels"
Ed Bowers "My Face Before It Was Born"
Diamond Dave reads: "We Have Lost Even" by Pablo Neruda & "This Was Once a Love Poem" by Jane Hirshfield

music
Thomas Mapfumo & Blacks Unlimited "Zvichapera"
Sandfly "Soul Radiance" "Walking on the Moon" "Stick Around" "For Love" "Under The Sun" "If You Feel Like it"
"Blackfire "One Nation Under" " It Ain't Over" "Lying to Myself" "Someone Else's Nightmare"
Bob Dylan "Cocaine" "Sweetheart Like You" "Lovesick"

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/18/2008 05:27AM by petersz.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: UPMarty (71.86.181.---)
Date: October 18, 2008 04:06PM

It took some doing, Peter, but was able to download the file and listen to the readings. You have a soothing voice and nice East coast accent. Thanks for sharing it.

Mary


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: October 18, 2008 10:32PM

Thanks, Mary. The Boston accent is always there, even after 30 years away. Sorry it's so hard to get into the file. Diamond Dave is a local character, been an mc for 40 years on the poetry circuit in SF.

amo,

Peter


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: October 25, 2008 03:30AM

Peter Sherburn-Zimmer is reading his poetry
and
Bill Appledorf will be play his music
@ Caffe Capriccio, 2200 Mason at Chestnut
San Francisco

on 11/3/2008 Monday, from 6 - 8 p.m

We hope you can come listen to us and enjoy the evening.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: hpesoj (69.116.241.---)
Date: October 25, 2008 07:35AM

Peter:

Send me an airline ticket, and I'll be there.

Joe


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: October 25, 2008 12:48PM

Joe,

Would a Red Bull do?

amo,

Peter


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: October 28, 2008 09:04PM

A note from my journal...so you could see how my government has kept me distracted and away from actually writing poetry today:

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:16:17 PM I spoke with IRS for the seventh time today. Now they claim the stimulus rebate will be send out on November 7, 2008. We shall see.

I know, some of you are relieved when something keeps me away from writing poetry for a day.

cheers,

Peter


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: November 08, 2008 05:50PM

Here's the first posting I could find mark 'frivolous conversation,' since I'm in an archaeological mood/mode:

Frivolous Conversations (please post here)
Posted by: Brucefur (---.ok.shawcable.net)
Date: August 23, 2002 09:46AM

This is a temporary solution to the run away post dilema, and is here specificly for Sargirl, Lady, Lizzy Tetriano (sp?) and yours truly to indulge in meaningless and quasi poetry discussions.

Hopefully it will work out okay until Rudy can give us our own Forum ;-)

Brucefur

Okay Sargirl, post away!


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: UPMarty (71.86.181.---)
Date: November 09, 2008 12:55AM

Peter, I'm glad you didn't demand we all go over to friv. on your Halloween in the City thread. It would have been a pain and probably not as fruitful a conversation.

Mary


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: UPMarty (71.86.181.---)
Date: November 10, 2008 01:12AM

Thought these were funny. Maxine...on autumn

Mary


Attachments: Coffee.bmp (94.4KB)   Dark.bmp (100.4KB)   Political platform.bmp (98.9KB)   time.bmp (99.8KB)  
Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: November 11, 2008 08:43PM

Les, Johnny, anyone...how can I find out who wrote Al Gore's Nobel prize acceptance lecture?

Peter


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: redmitten (216.187.184.---)
Date: November 12, 2008 01:08PM

for those of you who haven't read it:



[nobelprize.org]

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/12/2008 01:14PM by redmitten.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: November 12, 2008 02:01PM

Red,

I wasn't so interested in hearing what was said. I is a good speech. I wanted to find out who wrote the speech for him.

amo,

Peter

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Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: redmitten (216.187.184.---)
Date: November 12, 2008 02:21PM

peter,

i was aware of that. but per my post- it was for those who would be interested in what he had to say.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: hpesoj (69.116.241.---)
Date: November 12, 2008 02:40PM

Peter:

I suspect that the speech was a team effort penned by Gore along with a crew of sycophant speechwriters. That is usually the case with high-powered people in the public eye. Now that I think of it, though, a man who took credit for single-handedly inventing the internet probably wouldn't hesitate to take credit for writing an entire speech (lol). Anyway, you can ask your question at the following site:

[www.algoresupportcenter.com] />
The site claims that Gore does not have his own email address, so this is probably the best you will be able to do.

Good luck.

Joe


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: November 17, 2008 01:08PM

HELLO EVERYBODY,

I'M GLAD WE'RE UP AND RUNNING.

PETER


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.254.---)
Date: November 17, 2008 01:35PM

Morning Peter.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (71.249.169.---)
Date: November 17, 2008 02:18PM

YOHO !


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: hpesoj (69.116.241.---)
Date: November 17, 2008 05:00PM

Indeed!


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: nolon (65.30.210.---)
Date: November 21, 2008 10:48PM

booooo!


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: nolon (65.30.210.---)
Date: November 21, 2008 10:48PM

Oh where oh where did CP go oh where oh where could it be did it get cut off fall into an abyss oh where oh where..


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Steevo (66.82.9.---)
Date: November 21, 2008 10:53PM

It is so quiet on this site that my next post may sadly be self fulfilling prophecy.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.254.---)
Date: November 23, 2008 02:22AM

Aye, if you haven't heard, all the breakdowns, hacks, delayed repairs and what not have crippled us. And we moved down on the search engines.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (71.249.169.---)
Date: November 24, 2008 10:00AM

From the website DisneyLies:

The Legend: There are a number of bizarre coincidences between the lives of Walt Disney and John F. Kennedy.


Walt Disney died in 1966; John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

The names Disney and Kenedy each contain seven letters.

Both men were particularly concerned with how Americans feel about things.

History remembers Kennedy in part for the Bay of Pigs, and Walt Disney in part for "The Three Little Pigs."

The names Lillian Disney and Marilyn Monroe have the same number of letters.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Steevo (66.82.9.---)
Date: November 24, 2008 10:22AM

How does the whole world miss something this obvioius?

Thank goodness we have the internet or I would never have known. Nor would I have known this:

Traces of cocaine were found on 99% of UK bank notes in a survey in London in 2000. (www.corsinet.com)


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (71.249.169.---)
Date: November 24, 2008 12:17PM

Well, yes, Lyndon LaRouche has been claiming for years that Queen Elizabeth Two is a major drug dealer


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: November 24, 2008 01:15PM

Lyndon LaRouche...did he ever go to gaol for bilking all those retired senior citizens out of their life savings...or was that 'slander'?


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (68.194.80.---)
Date: November 24, 2008 01:53PM

I think that was his cellmate, Jim Bakker


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: redmitten (216.187.184.---)
Date: November 24, 2008 03:25PM

hey, here's an awesome on line dictionary...

[www.visuwords.com]


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (68.194.80.---)
Date: November 24, 2008 03:36PM

That's an interesting dictionary, even if it doesn't have Funistrada as an entry

(neither does Wikipedia for that mattter)

However, I did find a restaurant for those in Michigan :

[www.trattoriafunistrada.com]


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: November 24, 2008 04:18PM

Thanks, red. I bookmarked it.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Steevo (66.82.9.---)
Date: November 24, 2008 05:17PM

Thanks for the tip. That part of Michigan is one of the better destinations. Takes some effert to get there, but I try to go once a year. It's worth it. I recommend late spring or early fall. It's either too crowded or too cold the rest of the time (unless you like to ski).


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: redmitten (216.187.184.---)
Date: November 24, 2008 06:04PM

funistrada –

non-dictionary "word" – a nonsense food name created for a 1974 preference survey, along with 375 real foods, to use as a control to see if those taking the poll were paying attention. Funistrada was rather well liked (better than buttered ermal or to braised trake): the survey-respondents rated it above eggplant, instant coffee, apricot pie, harvard beets, canned lima beans, grilled bologna, and cranberry juice.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: hpesoj (69.116.241.---)
Date: November 24, 2008 09:02PM

Obviously the respondents to the survey mentioned by Red lack the discriminating gourmand tastes of folks from New Jersey and New York...fried bologna is a staple of diners, delis, and greasy spoons all over the east coast. I never thought of washing it down with cranberry juice and then topping off the meal with apricot pie and a cup of instant coffee though. Hmmm.

Joe


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (68.194.80.---)
Date: November 25, 2008 10:46AM

We pass around a list here at work
it's what people are bringing in for our potluck holiday lunch
If I don't say Funistrada, I'll threaten to bring Bologna Strips Marinated in Lime Kool-Aid

And i end up cooking Chicken Cutlets


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Steevo (69.19.14.---)
Date: November 25, 2008 02:28PM

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if there's a list doesn't that remove most of the "luck" aspect?


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (24.189.158.---)
Date: November 25, 2008 03:29PM

Well, that's why I put Funistrada

but seriously, some people don't cook and there'd be potato chip duplication otherwise


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Steevo (66.82.9.---)
Date: November 25, 2008 03:44PM

Sounds like my family. Amazing how many varieties of chips one can buy these days.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Steevo (66.82.9.---)
Date: November 25, 2008 03:52PM

Back in the 70s (you know, ancient times) we used to have an annual event called the male chauvanist pig party. A couples thing. The men were assigned specific dishes to make and the women had to sample them all and rate them.

My favorite was the guy who brought baked Irish fortune potatoes.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.252.---)
Date: November 26, 2008 02:30PM

I need some Holiday recipes. I'll give in exchange a variety of random recipes, my holiday is solid but basic, unfortunately. Of special note is my lemon chicken sauce which never, ever, fails to please. Sides, sides would be appreciated. Salads, unique deserts, maybe a special way of dressing and cooking le turkey, interesting potatoes, whatever's good.

Also some super spicy curry ones, not sharp burn spicy, but entire body sweaty spicy.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (24.189.158.---)
Date: November 26, 2008 07:52PM

Deep-Fried Stuffing on a Stick


Ingredients:

Stuffing:
5 tablespoons butter, divided
1 pound breakfast sausage, bulk
1 cup diced onion
1/2 cup diced carrot
1/2 cup diced celery
1 bag unseasoned bread cubes, for stuffing
1 sleeve saltine crackers, crushed
1 tablespoon poultry seasoning
2 tablespoons dried parsley flakes
2 teaspoons ground sage
Salt and freshly ground black pepper
1 quart chicken stock
4 eggs, beaten
For Frying:
Oil, for frying
2 cups all-purpose flour
Special equipment: 12 wooden ice cream sticks or skewers
Directions

Preheat oven to 375 degrees F. Grease a 9 by 13-inch baking dish with 1 tablespoon of the butter.

Brown the sausage in a large skillet over medium-high heat until it is cooked through. Transfer to a plate, while spooning off the excess grease, leaving about 2 tablespoons in the skillet. Add 4 tablespoons of the butter and melt. Add the onion, carrot and celery and saute until softened. Meanwhile, in a large mixing bowl, toss together bread cubes, saltines, poultry seasoning, parsley flakes, sage, salt and pepper. Stir the sauteed vegetables into the mixing bowl. Pour in the chicken stock and eggs and toss together. Turn the stuffing out into the prepared baking dish.

Bake in the preheated oven for 35 to 45 minutes until the top is golden brown and the juices in the stuffing are bubbling.

Preheat oil in the deep-fryer to 350 degrees F.

Cool the stuffing completely. Cut it into 12 squares. Remove each square from the dish and wrap it around a wooden stick, pressing it onto the stick with your hands. Make the stuffing form a log shape around the popsicle stick, leaving 2-inches of the stick exposed for the handle. This should look somewhat like a lumpy corn dog.

Roll the stick in the flour, coating it well and then shaking off the excess. Gently lower the sticks into the hot oil and fry until golden brown and crispy, about 5 minutes. Transfer to a paper towel lined plate to drain.

Cook Time 1 hr 0 min

Yield 12 servings

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2008 07:53PM by JohnnyBoy.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: November 26, 2008 08:57PM

Does this recipe work just as well if you use dried paisley flakes?

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Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Steevo (69.19.14.---)
Date: November 26, 2008 09:46PM

"I gotta get me one of those"
(Steve Buscemi, Big Daddy, 1999, Paramount Pictures)


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (24.189.158.---)
Date: November 27, 2008 06:12AM

Presley Flakes will probably work as well

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Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: les712 (68.185.69.---)
Date: November 27, 2008 06:12AM

Here you go Percival: [www.google.com] />

Thank you all for being here.



Les


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (24.189.158.---)
Date: November 27, 2008 06:22AM

or O! cereal featuring Corn Elvis:

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Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.245.---)
Date: November 27, 2008 07:57AM

Damn your mastery of the obvious Les. I'm looking for time tested, deeply cherished recipes refined by generations of mom love, not carbon copies. Thought I appreciate the thought.

As for you Johnny, I place a curse upon you. The cook of your next meal will think it amusing to not wash his/her/shemale/maleshe/natural hermaphrodite/jesus hands after taking a shit prior to preparing your meal. And so as your petty humor has poisoned so many matters of importance in the past, so will their poopy hands poison your thanksgiving meal.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: hpesoj (69.116.241.---)
Date: November 27, 2008 08:34AM

Braised Carrots and Fennel

Ingredients

9 large carrots, peeled
3 large bulbs fennel
1 large onion
1 teaspoon sugar
Salt (to taste)
2 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil
3 tablespoons chopped dill
3 tablespoons chopped chives

Directions

Slice the carrots 1/2-inch thick on an angle (careful here, I nearly severed the tip of my ring finger last night while preparing the carrots).

Quarter the fennel bulbs lengthwise, remove the core and thinly slice, or roughly chop. Reserve 1/4 cup chopped fennel fronds.

Halve and slice the onion. Fill a skillet with 1/4-inch water. Add vegetables then sprinkle with sugar and salt and drizzle with 2 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil. Simmer covered 20 minutes, and uncovered for 5 minutes and adjust salt. Toss vegetables with fennel fronds, dill and chives.

The sugar is optional - we usually do without it because I don't think it adds anything to the recipe. A variation we use occasionally involves substituting ginger for the onion. I can't help you with the quantity here, I usually just eyeball it and stop when I think there's enough ginger. Either way, the recipe makes a delicious vegetable dish that we've used the past several Thanksgivings and during the year. You can always adjust the quantities to accommodate fewer, or more, dinner guests. The original recipe was gotten somewhere off the web, I think.

Joe

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/27/2008 08:39AM by hpesoj.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.254.---)
Date: November 27, 2008 01:31PM

Shit that does sound tasty. I have a pretty particular taste for things though, while I appreciate things as such, I favor hearty things. Stews, pot pies, shepard pies, things jam packed with nourishing ingredients. Meat, starch, and plenty of veg in one dish. Any recipe you looking for particularly? Or should I cut to the chase and hand over the lemon chicken? It's chinese style, battered and deep fried, topped with the sauce.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: les712 (68.185.69.---)
Date: November 27, 2008 03:52PM

On a day like today, given the morning's newspaper headlines, it's good to remember humanity's kinder side: [finance.yahoo.com] />
Les


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: hpesoj (69.116.241.---)
Date: November 27, 2008 11:18PM

Mr. P.

The chicken recipe is what I'm looking for...sounds even better with the Chinese twist. My wife just made an out of this world beef barley soup - more like a stew really - this past week. I'm sure she won't mind sharing the recipe, although I think some of the magic comes from her creativity at the time she makes it. There's a basic recipe involved, but each time she makes it there's a pleasant surprise or two.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.254.---)
Date: November 27, 2008 11:41PM

The lemon chicken you shall have. But keep in mind this isn't a "twist", it's a Chinese recipe through and through. At the moment however, I feel both the exhaustion from 7 hours of cooking and the turkey coursing through my system.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.254.---)
Date: November 29, 2008 05:23AM

Lemon Chicken


Chicken & Batter:

2-4 Breasts boneless, skinless
1/2c Cornstarch
Salt & Pepper to taste
1/4c water
4 yolks, slightly beaten
Frying oil
Green Onions


Sauce:

1 1/2c water
1/2 lemon juice, must be fresh
3 1/2Tbls packed light brown sugar
2-3Tbls cornstarch, still haven't worked that bit out
3Tbls honey
2tsp chicken bouillon
1-3tsp fresh grated ginger, its a matter of taste


1. Combine all sauce ingredients in saucepan, bring to boil, maintain at light-medium boil, stirring -constantly- with whisk so the sauce becomes thoroughly aerated, till color changes to a light brown/deep yellow. Takes about 10-15 minutes, absolutely crucial to getting this sauce right. Reduce to concentrate flavor as desired. Keep warm.

2. Heat enough oil to more than cover chicken for deep frying, 375.

3. Half breasts horizontally, as a hotdog bun. Pound breasts lightly to create rough surface for batter to cling to.

4. For batter, mix cornstarch, salt & pepper. Gradually add water and yolks.

5. Thinly slice green onions.

6. Fry chicken. Salt lightly immediately after being removed. Serve on top rice, top that with sauce, top sauce with green onions.

7. Impress friends.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (67.150.252.---)
Date: November 30, 2008 03:33PM

Now let's see, for that soup, which sounds lovely, I have... hm.. Oh! Oatsies', a dessert. Oats mixed with some corn syrup, or some such, then topped with chocolate. It's a lot better than it sounds, I'll dig up the recipe.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: les712 (68.185.69.---)
Date: December 09, 2008 06:33AM

Some of you might remember my talking about a new 200 mile per hour Corvette, guess who got the first one off the assembly line?

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Les


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: December 11, 2008 01:40AM

Quick definitions (bodacious)

▸ adjective: unrestrained by convention or propriety --
A word for the Governor of Illinois, Blagojevich, trying to sell the senate seat.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: les712 (68.185.69.---)
Date: December 11, 2008 03:10AM

Peter, I think the word "hubris" comes into play.


Les


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: December 11, 2008 04:25AM

I was hoping Johnny would make a piece including bodacious and Blagojevich in succeeding lines.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: les712 (68.185.69.---)
Date: December 11, 2008 04:41AM

If anyone could do it, Johnny's the man.


Les


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (68.194.80.---)
Date: December 11, 2008 10:36AM

Phonetically BlaGOjevich
Bodaciously to make him rich
He dug himself a little ditch
And called it fuckin-golden


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Steevo (66.82.9.---)
Date: December 11, 2008 10:45AM

I am impressed that you did not resort to the all too easy rhyme -- son-of-a-bitch.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (71.249.169.---)
Date: December 11, 2008 10:48AM

It'd have been better if his name was like Blasshole or some such


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: December 19, 2008 12:40PM


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: hpesoj (69.116.241.---)
Date: December 19, 2008 02:42PM

Peter:

Break a leg. It would be great if you could somehow have your reading recorded and share it with your admirers here at emule.

Joe


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: UPMarty (71.86.181.---)
Date: December 19, 2008 06:44PM

Yes,Peter, good luck tonight and ditto to what Joe said.

Mary


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: Mr. P (75.111.26.---)
Date: December 21, 2008 12:24AM

Someone call Camus, I feel like picking a fight.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (24.189.156.---)
Date: December 21, 2008 10:37AM

If you pick it, it'll never heal


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: UPMarty (71.86.181.---)
Date: December 21, 2008 10:05PM

Happy Birthday Eve, Peter. How did your reading go the other night?


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: petersz (69.181.22.---)
Date: December 21, 2008 11:43PM

oh it was wonderful, Mary.

Thanks for your kind thoughts.

I met a beautiful Muslim woman who is a poet, who liked my work enough to visit for a while after the reading to talk about her uppcoming reading and her time in Minnesota...how the mental institution is in Wilmar, where my relatives lived. And one of my favorite poets, Clara Hsu came to hear me. And a nomad from Russia came and told us what he called a Sufic tale. Entertaining.

I intend to be quite delighted. 'when I'm 64!'

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I spent the day today finding expensive long-johns for my girl-friend, so the winter will be more pleasant for her.

I intend to enjoy the rest of the year, both when I am alone and when I visit my kids for their winter celebration.

Hope all is well for you and your family.

blessings,

[www.youtube.com] />

Peter

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/21/2008 11:53PM by petersz.


Re: Frivolous Conversations #88
Posted by: les712 (68.185.69.---)
Date: December 28, 2008 03:57AM

Happy Kwanzaa, and a prosperous New Year to everyone!


Les


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