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Dates
Posted by: Vic Jefferies (---.tech2u.com.au)
Date: May 12, 2005 08:23PM

How and when did the practice of writing the date with the month shown before the day originate (5/13/05 instead of 13/5/05) and why?
It seems to be more common in the USA than other countries but as with most things American it is now spreading.


Re: Dates
Posted by: lg (---.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com)
Date: May 12, 2005 09:40PM

Vic, great minds have pondered such questions:

[66.102.7.104] />

Les


Re: Dates
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: May 12, 2005 11:57PM

I checked a few other sites, all of them said it's what the United States DOES but no real clue as to when it started.

One explanation was that Americans tend to SAY March 13th as opposed to the 13th of March but that could be circular reasoning (we say it because thats how it's written)

I have a receipt for a barrel of flour from Baltimore MD and the date is 22 May 1809

However, the Declaration of Independence clearly states July 4 1776, but we all say the 4th of July



Post Edited (05-12-05 23:17)


Re: Dates
Posted by: lg (---.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com)
Date: May 13, 2005 12:53AM

Interesting that the MLA, Modern Language Associates, considered the bible for scholarly research articles, uses the day, month, year. See samples here:

[library.osu.edu] />


Les


Re: Dates
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 13, 2005 12:56PM

Here's a variant on the question.....when did the practice of NOT writing the month-name start?

when did it become all numbers? the computer age?


Re: Dates
Posted by: ilza (200.199.70.---)
Date: May 13, 2005 02:10PM

by the way, not in Portuguese . . .

today, for instance, is 13/05/2005


Re: Dates
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 13, 2005 02:14PM



“Meet me 11/12 at the top of the Empire State Building”

I was there on eleven December—
The date I worked hard to remember.
  But my English amour
  Didn’t show up. Wherefore?
He had been there the twelfth of November!


Re: Dates
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 13, 2005 02:32PM

"Every girl in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul"

Istanbul 1953

Words by Jimmy Kennedy
Music by Nat Simon

as recorded by They Might Be Giants


Re: Dates
Posted by: Vic Jefferies (---.tech2u.com.au)
Date: May 16, 2005 02:36AM

Well it seems that the practice of putting the month before the day is not totally accepted, even in America.
I must admit I find it rather awkwardly pretentious, sort of like the gimmicky sayings, expressions and practices that used to (and seem to even more these days) spring up in the armed services.
I think, though I am not sure, that substituting a number for the written month was always acceptable as an abbreviation though not something that would be done in formal correspondence.
Whatever happened to ultimo and instant?


Re: Dates
Posted by: lg (---.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com)
Date: May 16, 2005 02:47AM

Vic, as with many things here in America, practical concerns win out.

File clerks determine policy. When filing information, from periodicals especially, the logical way to file them is by year/month/day. Listing the month followed by the day is a boon to anyone searching for information or filing information.

Hence, the article I referenced above, many who deal with international policy such as internet standards long for uniformity. My guess is the month/day/year will win as a standard on the internet for no other reason than this sort of recording (31/12/05) takes longer for researchers and filers of information to retreive.


Les


Re: Dates
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 16, 2005 09:37AM

"substituting a number for the written month was always acceptable"

I have no conscious memory of when I switched over to using this......I can't locate any documents where this is used prior to the 1980s

anyone else?


Re: Dates
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 16, 2005 03:19PM

Vic --

Please! Illuminate for me the use of "ultimo" and "instant."

I've seen them used in British writing but never quite understood what they mean.

Would love to know!


Re: Dates
Posted by: Linda (---.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk)
Date: May 16, 2005 03:35PM

ultimo (ult) = in the previous month
instant (inst) = the present month
proximo (prox) = next month

It's old fashioned formal business speak ( well , letter write)


Re: Dates
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 16, 2005 03:42PM

Wow, great, i never knew that !


Re: Dates
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-02rh15-16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: May 16, 2005 06:49PM

So, when are the ides of ultimo, the nones of instant and the kalends of proximo? Just curious you understand.


Re: Dates
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: May 16, 2005 09:51PM

The fault, dear Bluto, lies not in in our dates but in ourselves


Re: Dates
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 17, 2005 11:30AM

Thanks, Linda!




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