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White supremacy
Posted by: AJ (---.hs.telusplanet.net)
Date: May 04, 2005 07:53PM

Would somebody be able to supply me with the name of a white supremacist poet or the name of some such works?
Or, would someone be able to specify any of Nietzsche's poetry that talks about racism?


Re: can someone help...?
Posted by: lg (---.ca.charter.com)
Date: May 04, 2005 08:23PM

The White Man's Burden
by Rudyard Kipling

Take up the White man's burden --
Send forth the best ye breed --
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness
On fluttered folk and wild --
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.

Take up the White Man's burden --
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times mad plain.
To seek another's profit,
And work another's gain.

Take up the White Man's burden --
The savage wars of peace --
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch Sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hope to nought.

Take up the White Man's burden --
No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper --
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go make them with your living,
And mark them with your dead!

Take up the White man's burden --
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard --
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light: --
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
"Our loved Egyptian night?"

Take up the White Man's burden --
Ye dare not stoop to less --
Nor call too loud on freedom
To cloak your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples
Shall weigh your Gods and you.

Take up the White Man's burden --
Have done with childish days --
The lightly proffered laurel,
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold-edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!


Re: White supremacy
Posted by: Hugh Clary (12.73.175.---)
Date: May 05, 2005 09:51AM


Re: White supremacy
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 05, 2005 11:14AM

Here's an essay about Nietzsche that might point you in the right direction:

[www.friesian.com] />
But beware -- for every essay accusing Nietzsche of racism, there's another explaining that his aesthetic snobbery was mental, not racial.


Re: can someone help...?
Posted by: Linda (---.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk)
Date: May 05, 2005 12:53PM

Not being familiar with US history, did you? The poem was written for "The United States and the Philippine Islands" 1899.


Re: White supremacy
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 05, 2005 07:41PM

LINDA WROTE: Not being familiar with US history, did you? The poem was written for "The United States and the Philippine Islands" 1899.


I believe Linda's comment refers to "The White Man's Burden," which is a warning about the moral dangers of colonialism. (It only sounds racist if you take it literally.) Remember, Kipling wrote "The Man Who Would Be King" and other works in which white supremacists are taking down a dramatic notch or two.


Re: White supremacy
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 06, 2005 09:12AM

You'd think "Take up the White Man's Burden" could be sung to the tune of "Give my regards to Broadway", but you can't


Re: White supremacy
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 06, 2005 01:25PM

It works to the tune of "O Little Town of Bethlehem."


Re: White supremacy
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 06, 2005 01:36PM

Indeed it does......Gilligan's Island theme and Yellow Rose of Texas as well.

hmmm....maybe Emily wrote it !


Re: White supremacy
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 06, 2005 01:37PM

cause Rudyard Kipling has a way
with B O L O G N A


Re: White supremacy
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 06, 2005 01:43PM

[www.epinions.com] />
Poetry for Cats

Oh the marvels that Googling Everything will give you !


Re: White supremacy
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.phoenix-01rh15-16rt.az.dial-access.att.net)
Date: May 06, 2005 03:32PM

It only sounds racist if you take it literally.

If not racist, then surely sexist?

[www.poetryloverspage.com]


Re: White supremacy
Posted by: AJ (---.hs.telusplanet.net)
Date: May 09, 2005 11:33PM

Um.... I don't mean to jump on anyone's back, but "White Man's Burden" is not a poem mocking imperialism; it is written with sincerety. Although in modern times we would immediately read in to it as a satire, it is what it says. I don't recall which of you tried to categorize it as an attempt to warn the world of the moral dangers of colonialism/imperialism, but I do know that this was not Rudyard's intentions. He was in favour of imperialism and was being quite literal in this poem. I do agree that he was not racist, but 'a man of the times.' I believe that you can only be a racist if you have the means of knowing better. I also agree that this poem is available to remind us of the dangers behind imperialism and cultural implantation, but that does not change the fact that Kipling was writing to persuade that it was a divine calling to those who had the ability to take upon themselves the burden of the "half-devil half-child" people.




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