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to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: Talia (---.dialsprint.net)
Date: September 14, 2004 09:46AM

No, not a decorating questions. But you all know the short story by Charlotte Perkins Gillman. Actually it was from this site that I heard about it and bought a Dover copy--love it! Anyhow, I have to do a "manuscript speech" in my Public Speaking class. We have to read for 10 minutes. In the event that it doesn't take me a full ten minutes, got anything that might go well along with it?


an aside . . .
Posted by: ilza (---.162.245.50.user.ajato.com.br)
Date: September 14, 2004 12:00PM

don't forget the name is Gilman ( one L only )

why not end with one of her poems ?
...
for those who would like to read her work online ( and other authors):

[www.pagebypagebooks.com]


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: September 14, 2004 12:39PM

The "Gillman" is the Creature from the Black Lagoon


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: September 14, 2004 02:36PM

My son had to study American Women Authors for GCSE. The Yellow Wallpaper was the best story in the short anthology they were given.

The trouble is I don't really find it any better than H.P. Lovecraft.


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: peternsz (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: September 14, 2004 03:16PM

Which was "on" this week on the tele. One of my childhood favorites, in 1954, when I was supposed to be childish-like.


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: September 14, 2004 03:24PM

Mine too, along with all the old Universal monsters...which I still love to this day.....of course, I've never stopped being childISH, I don't think I was child-like, with its implications of innonence and wonder...just a brat !


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: Talia (---.dialsprint.net)
Date: September 15, 2004 11:48AM

I am not a feminist at all, despite my female gender, however, perhaps I am not one becaue others did the work for me. I do like this poem, although it doesn't describe me. If I lived at that time, I would have to call myself feminist.





THE ANTI-SUFFRAGISTS *
Fashionable women in luxurious homes,
With men to feed them, clothe them, pay their bills,
Bow, doff the hat, and fetch the handkerchief;
Hostess or guest; and always so supplied
With graceful deference and courtesy;
Surrounded by their horses, servants, dogs–
These tell us they have all the rights they want.
[Page 18]
Successful women who have won their way
Alone, with strength of their unaided arm,
Or helped by friends, or softly climbing up
By the sweet aid of "woman's influence";
Successful any way, and caring naught
For any other woman's unsuccess–
These tell us they have all the rights they want.
Religious women of the feebler sort–
Not the religion of a righteous world,
A free, enlightened, upward-reaching world,
But the religion that considers life
As something to back out of !– whose ideal
Is to renounce, submit, and sacrifice.
Counting on being patted on the head
And given a high chair when they get to heaven–
These tell us they have all the rights they want.
Ignorant women–college bred sometimes,
But ignorant of life's realities
And principles of righteous government,
And how the privileges they enjoy
Were won with blood and tears by those before–
Those they condemn, whose ways they now oppose;
Saying, "Why not let well enough alone?"
Our world is very pleasant as it is"–
These tell us they have all the rights they want.
And selfish women–pigs in petticoats–
Rich, poor, wise, unwise, top or bottom round,
But all sublimely innocent of thought,
And guiltless of ambition, save the one
Deep, voiceless aspiration–to be fed!
These have no use for rights or duties more.
Duties today are more than they can meet,
And law insures their right to clothes and food–
These tell us they have all the rights they want.
And, more's the pity, some good women too;
Good, conscientious women with ideas;
Who think–or think they think–that woman's cause
Is best advanced by letting it alone;
That she somehow is not a human thing,
[Page 19]
And not to be helped on by human means,
Just added to humanity–an "L"–
A wing, a branch, an extra, not mankind–
These tell us they have all the rights they want.
And out of these has come a monstrous thing,
A strange, down-sucking whirlpool of disgrace,
Women uniting against womanhood,
And using that great name to hide their sin!
Vain are their words as that old king's command
Who set his will against the rising tide.
But who shall measure the historic shame
Of these poor traitors–traitors are they all–
To great Democracy and Womanhood!
[digital.library.upenn.edu]


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: Pam Adams (---.bus.csupomona.edu)
Date: September 15, 2004 02:26PM

What, there's something wrong with Lovecraft?

pam

The Cthulhu on my monitor is looking very annoyed............


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: September 15, 2004 02:28PM

This place is turning into Arkham Asylum !


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: Pam Adams (---.bus.csupomona.edu)
Date: September 15, 2004 02:48PM

Just for that, you can't hear my CD of 'The Shoggoth on the Roof!'

pam


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: September 15, 2004 04:05PM

Pam, you took me from not knowing of it at ALL, to the point where I MUST hear such a thing, and then you DENY me the opportunity to hear it !

ARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHH !


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: lucia (---.adsl.retevision.es)
Date: September 15, 2004 04:33PM

kiero conectarme a su pagina mandame un sms a luciamp93@hotmail.com
Talia wrote:

No, not a decorating questions. But you all know the short
story by Charlotte Perkins Gillman. Actually it was from this
site that I heard about it and bought a Dover copy--love it!
Anyhow, I have to do a "manuscript speech" in my Public
Speaking class. We have to read for 10 minutes. In the event
that it doesn't take me a full ten minutes, got anything that
might go well along with it?


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: September 15, 2004 04:44PM

Nothing wrong with Lovecraft, but he won't make it onto the GCSE syllabus.

Two years later, my daughter's class revolted and insisted on "Of mice and men" as their main work instead of "Roll of thunder"


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: Pam Adams (134.71.192.---)
Date: September 15, 2004 04:44PM

Try this link instead.

[www.emule.us] />
pam


Re: to go with the yellow wallpaper.
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: September 16, 2004 09:47AM

Ah, yes, Of Mice and Men ! Imagine my surprise having been raised on Warner Brothers cartoons, George !




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