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HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: johnnie2130 (---.i-55.com)
Date: July 28, 2004 09:57PM

What did HORATIUS FLACCUS mean when he wrote, "Captive Greece took captive her savage conqueror?"

It's from Source: Epistles II,i,156. This is a question in an assignment. Thanks for all help.

Johnnie



Post Edited (07-28-04 21:35)


Re: HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: peternsz (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: July 29, 2004 12:36AM

The Romans conquered Greece politically, militarily, made them a subject of the Empire. But the Greek culture...art, political theory , and the structure of the gods, survived and dominated through their effect on the Romans. The claim is that once the Romans took Greece, they themselves became "Grecified," Hellenized, the carriers of Greek culture. This is what the quote refers to. There's a lot more to this.

Good luck,

Peter


Re: HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: Desi (---.grecian.net)
Date: July 29, 2004 06:55AM

One of the things that you can use to explain this is the fact that the Romans looked up the greek culture. They admired it so much that they started by imitating the great greek works. (translatio-imitatio-aemulatio: translation, imitation, improvement).
Every Roman nobleman spoke perfectly greek for a long time. Also due to the fact that greeks were brought to Rome to educate the children of the nobility.

As peter says, there's a lot more to it :-) Good luck.


Re: HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: Hugh Clary (12.73.175.---)
Date: July 29, 2004 10:42AM

And Desi, visiting beaches on the lovely island of Crete, should certainly know. The entire passage is,

"Graecia capta ferum victorem cepit et artes intulit agresti Latio, Greece, when captured, captured her savage conqueror and brought the arts into rustic Latium'."


Re: HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: peternsz (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: July 29, 2004 04:20PM

A former professor [William V. Spanos] argues, as he always does, reversely, in his latest book, that the western world, European culture, with its aggressive and militant attitudes, since at least Charles the Great, has been an extention of Roman Culture, not Greek culture (he's Greek)... not Greek to us; Roman to us.

I guess this is a sidebar comment.

Very often though, the winners settle into conquered territory, take the women, kill a lot of men, beget the begotten; their children learning the mother tongue, their children, like second generation Americans (or what have you) becoming assimilated more to the matriarchal heritage, the partimony remaining, resessive and exterior. We wear Roman clothes, speak the mind of a Greek, if we be Hellenistic Atticans, around first century New Era.

g'luck,

Peter


Re: HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: peternsz (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: July 31, 2004 12:58AM

Give me my Flaccus Bacchus. Dionysius was the youngest of the Greek gods, and the first to die. T or F.


Re: HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: July 31, 2004 02:48AM

I only worship Flatus


Re: HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: peternsz (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: July 31, 2004 03:33AM

Platus Pussus, among the Musses.


Re: HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: July 31, 2004 06:07PM

Leaving aside Chronos and Ouranos.


Re: HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: August 01, 2004 12:22AM

"Chro -o-o- nos....is on my side, yes he is"
Miccus Jaggerus


Re: HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: peternsz (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: August 01, 2004 05:58AM

Wasn't Chronos a Titan, or maybe one of the pre-Greek gods, that preceeded the Olympians, Zeus et al, long before Dionysus. Ouranus with Gaia, Ocean and Earth, were even more primordial, older gods of nature, to be replaced by Zeus and his gang.


:-)>-):-(


Re: HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: August 01, 2004 09:03AM

Father and grandfather of Zeus, Hera, Hades, Poseidon et al. I'd have thought that gave them a claim on godhood.


Re: HORATIUS FLACCUS...
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: August 01, 2004 12:22PM

higamus hogamus




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