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i'm new
Posted by: opiateourfather (---.nyc.untd.com)
Date: March 29, 2004 11:35PM

Good evening...I just found this site, and thought it would be good to join. Shall I just start posting poems and such at random...?


Re: i'm new
Posted by: -Les- (---.trlck.ca.charter.com)
Date: March 30, 2004 12:55AM

Opiate, as the introductory information on this site clearly states:


1. Post all poems on he USP
2. Post no more than 3 poems a day
3. Refrain from all profanity
4. Use the best grammar and punctuation you know


Les


Re: i'm new
Posted by: opiateourfather (---.nyc.untd.com)
Date: March 30, 2004 01:00AM

Thanks...


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: March 30, 2004 02:25PM

Other than what Les wrote read the replies around here and you too can be as opinionated as the rest of us.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: opiateourfather (---.lax.untd.com)
Date: March 30, 2004 02:56PM

Heh, thanks Linda. I plan to.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-02rh15-16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: March 30, 2004 03:19PM

Ditch the sig. It's already old after three repetitions.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: -Les- (---.trlck.ca.charter.com)
Date: March 30, 2004 03:33PM

I think "All Apologies" is a better signature, but that's just me. Here's the line from Nirvana in context:


What else should I be
All apologies
What else could I say
Everyone is gay
What else could I write
I don't have the right
What else should I be
All apologies

In the sun
In the sun I feel as one
In the sun
In the sun
I'm married
buried

I wish I was like you
Easily amused
Find my nest of salt
Everything is my fault
I'll take all the blame
Aqua seafoam shame
Sunburn with freezerburn
Choking on the ashes of her enemy

In the sun
In the sun I feel as one
In the sun
In the sun
I'm married
buried
married
buried

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are
All in all is all we all are
All in all is all we are

Les


Re: i'm new
Posted by: opiateourfather (---.lax.untd.com)
Date: March 30, 2004 03:39PM

Thanks...i know the song...um...i didn't really see it as that big a deal...if it's really bothering you that much...it's gone. Sorry.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Talia (---.dialsprint.net)
Date: March 30, 2004 04:05PM

Hey Les....thanks for the 8th grade time travel. Just curious...did you know those lyrics by heart? Were you dinging as you typed it in?


Re: i'm new
Posted by: -Les- (---.trlck.ca.charter.com)
Date: March 30, 2004 05:56PM

Talia, I google everything. The lyrics to practically every song ever published in English is available on the web. Here's one from my 8th grade memory:

I Am The Walrus
(John Lennon, Paul McCartney)
Lead Vocal: John Lennon

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together
See how they run like pigs from a gun see how they fly
I'm crying

Sitting on a cornflake waiting for the van to come
Corporation teeshirt, stupid bloody Tuesday
Man you been a naughty boy
You let your face grow long
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
I am the walrus, goo goo goo joob

Mister City Policeman sitting
Pretty little policemen in a row
See how they fly like Lucy in the sky, see how they run
I'm crying, I'm crying
I'm crying, I'm crying

Yellow matter custard dripping from a dead dog's eye
Crabalocker fishwife pornographic priestess
Boy you been a naughty girl
You let your knickers down
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
I am the walrus, goo goo goo joob

Sitting in an English garden waiting for the sun
If the sun don't come, you get a tan from
Standing in the English rain
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
I am the walrus, goo goo goo joob goo goo goo goo joob

Expert textpert choking smokers don't you thing
The joker laughs at you? Ha ha ha!
See how they smile, like pigs in a sty
See how they snied
I'm crying

Semolina pilchard climbing up the Eiffel Tower
Elementary penguin singing Hare Krishna man
You should have seen them kicking Edgar Alan Poe
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
I am the walrus, goo goo goo joob goo goo goo joob
Goo goo gooooooooooo jooooob

Les


Re: i'm new
Posted by: azedine (193.251.169.---)
Date: March 31, 2004 11:32AM

puis je avoir une adresse pour mettre a jour la liste des serveurs d'emule
merci d'avance


Re: i'm new
Posted by: opiateourfather (---.nyc.untd.com)
Date: March 31, 2004 12:20PM

De quel le heck vous parlez?


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-05rh15-16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: March 31, 2004 02:42PM

Ceci probablement:

[www.emule-project.net]


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: March 31, 2004 02:59PM



QUESTION: puis je avoir une adresse pour mettre a jour la liste des serveurs d'emule?

ANSWER: there is no list serve, only this forum


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: March 31, 2004 06:48PM

Are WE not the servants of the mule?


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: March 31, 2004 07:37PM

Are we, indeed, the servants of the mule?
And yet, are we not the mule?


I re-read this thread very quickly and I thought I saw where Les wrote:

1. Post all poems 3 times a day
3. Refrain from all grammar and punctuation


To which I might add:

6. There is no rule #7
7. When in doubt,


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Pam Adams (---.bus.csupomona.edu)
Date: April 01, 2004 04:33PM

Eighth grade lyrics, huh? I probably should try for something cool, but let's get real here.

Dire Straits

You get a shiver in the dark
It's been raining in the park but meantime
South of the river you stop and you hold everything
A band is blowing Dixie double four time
You feel all right when you hear that music ring

You step inside but you don't see too many faces
Coming in out of the rain to hear the jazz go down
Too much competition too many other places
But not too many horns can make that sound
Way on downsouth way on downsouth London town

You check out Guitar George he knows all the chords
Mind he's strictly rhythm he doesn't want to make it cry or sing
And an old guitar is all he can afford
When he gets up under the lights to play his thing

And Harry doesn't mind if he doesn't make the scene
He's got a daytime job he's doing alright
He can play honky tonk just like anything
Saving it up for Friday night
With the Sultans with the Sultans of Swing

Amd a crowd of young boys they're fooling around in the corner
Drunk and dressed in their best brown baggies and their platform soles
They don't give a damn about any trumpet playing band
It ain't what they call rock and roll
And the Sultans played Creole

And then the man he steps right up to the microphone
And says at last just as the time bell rings
'Thank you goodnight now it's time to go home'
and he makes it fast with one more thing
'We are the Sultans of Swing'

pam


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Talia (---.dialsprint.net)
Date: April 01, 2004 04:41PM

Why no American flag?


Re: i'm new
Posted by: russ (---.olypen.com)
Date: April 30, 2004 10:24PM

I am probably missquoting this but:

To learn and use not what you learn
is a beast of burden with a load of books
does the ass comprehend whether it carries on its back
a library or a bundle of faggots?


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Talia (---.dialsprint.net)
Date: May 01, 2004 01:52PM

WHAT?????!!!!!


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Poet8586 (207.27.152.---)
Date: May 01, 2004 04:23PM


Where ARE we going with this?? Curious indeed...


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: May 02, 2004 04:08PM

Is this a case of same word, different meanings on the left and right of the pond?
Am I right in thinking a faggot is an uncomplimentary term for a person in the USA? In Britain its merely a bundle of firewood. Hence the contrast with books when carried by a mule.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: marian2 (---.range81-152.btcentralplus.com)
Date: May 03, 2004 12:45PM

In northern Britain a faggot is also a rather strange rissole made of offaly bits - I think the connection between the two British meanings is that both types of faggot were baisc sustenance for the poor - they collected free firewood and ate the cheapest meat.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Pam Adams (---.bus.csupomona.edu)
Date: May 03, 2004 01:42PM

In the US, it's an uncomplimentary term for a homosexual male.

pam


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-01rh15-16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: May 03, 2004 02:10PM

He who learns, and makes no use of his learning,
is a beast of burden
with a load of books.
Does the ass comprehend whether
he carries on his back
a library or a bundle of faggots?
Moslih Eddin Saadi (1184-1291)
Persian poet

[www.creativequotations.com] />

All translated quotes are suspect, goes without saying. A bundle of faggots is firewood, Pam's is a swish (or a poof) of faggots. Don't ask what blowing a fag means.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: May 03, 2004 04:15PM

You take a drag on a fag. (Inhale a cigarette)


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 03, 2004 04:28PM

Nihil Faciendo !


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 03, 2004 04:28PM

Donnez moi un fracture !


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 03, 2004 04:32PM

There's a place on Mars
Where the ladies smoke cigars
and the men all wear a girdle
and the children ride a turtle


Re: i'm new
Posted by: russ (---.olypen.com)
Date: May 03, 2004 09:56PM

Not in this case. I am pretty sure it means wood. In any event I don't talk much about the other kind. Even if they both can probably burn.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: russ (---.olypen.com)
Date: May 03, 2004 10:03PM

This is indeed a strange threat. Did I misspell that? Fun though. Caught Marian and Pam and Hugh and a bunch more good going!


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 04, 2004 09:53AM

Depends if they're flaming or not


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 04, 2004 12:45PM


"Does the ass comprehend whether
he carries on his back
a library or a bundle of faggots? "


If my hunch is right, the ass DOES understand. But because the ass is a "dumb" animal with total comprehension of the meaning of life, the universe, and everything, he is able to carry a bundle of faggots with the same sense of purpose and dignity as he carries a library.

Also, I think I know why the Chicken crossed the Road.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 04, 2004 01:01PM

Does the chicken understand
if he carries in his hand
a book on alternative lifestyles?


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 04, 2004 01:06PM


"Does the chicken understand..."

NO. Chickens understand nothing.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 04, 2004 01:10PM

Speaking as one who HAD chickens.....i beg to differ !

I've never had an ass though, so can't speak with any authority !


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 04, 2004 01:12PM

And what about that one chicken who posts here occasionally...Stephen Fryer?


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 04, 2004 01:23PM

carrying a bundle of fancy toys,
or a bundle of nancy-boys


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 04, 2004 03:26PM

[www.straightdope.com] />
This seems the least speculative of all that i've looked at.......and I personally am leaning towards faygeleh


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Josh (---.ras15.ilchi-e.alerondial.net)
Date: May 04, 2004 06:23PM

I am new and I am looking for Poems by Robert H. Fletcher and cannot seem to find any can you suggest how or where to find them? I am doing it as an assignment for school ,I have to do a poetry folio...Thank You


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 04, 2004 06:34PM

Straight Dope gives a survey of historical definitions of FAGGOT and other terms, then says: "a current notion holds that the Yiddish word faygeleh (little bird) might have been the source, but lacks evidence."

Okay, maybe. Faygele is a word that Yiddish-speaking people sometimes drop into English conversation for lack of an English word they're comfortable using. A non-speaker of Yiddish could easily pick up the meaning but miss the pronunciation.

I'm not saying it's true--but it's plausible.

There are lots of stories about Yiddish phrases misunderstood as English ones. The most famous (though apocryphal) is about an immigrant who memorized an American name to give at Ellis Island, then went blank at the critical moment and said, "Schoen fergessen" (I forgot already!). In the story, he spends the rest of his life with the name SEAN FERGUSON.

Recently I saw Mandy Patinkin perform Yiddish songs for a mostly Jewish audience, and he dedicated a song "to my father, olev hashalom." Even to ME it sounded like "my father, Oliver Sholem"--and I know that he was really saying, "my father, my he rest in peace." I'm sure someone with no knowledge of Yiddish would go away thinking his father's name was Oliver.

===

Pause for Pedantry

Please join me in working to stomp out the sad error of saying, "I'm going to stay home and PUTZ around." This is an unfortunate confusion of two Yiddish words:

PUTZ is a normal word for penis. It's also a lightly derogatory word--not half as offensive as schmuck. Men goofing off might say "don't be a putz," but they wouldn't call each other schmuck unless they were really angry.

FUTZ means something like "putter" (American) or "potter" (Brit). You can stay home and futz around, without feeling like a putz.

====

And while we're here, OY, VEY! means (literally) "Oh, woe!" It does not mean "Wow!" (the way Ted uses it on QUEER EYE) and it does not mean "How about that!" It's more like "Oh, no!" or "How awful!"

====

On WEST WING, Donna mis-used some Yiddish phrase and Toby admonished her: "Don't use Yiddish unless you have it." She said, "Okay, but you know what word should be Yiddish, but isn't? SPATULA."


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Pam Adams (---.bus.csupomona.edu)
Date: May 04, 2004 09:36PM

Josh,

Do you have a specific poem in mind? A Google search for "Robert Fletcher" +poet" brought up quite a few hits.

pam


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 05, 2004 10:42AM

Schmuck has taken on the role of "schmoe" for non-Yiddish speakers, and i've heard "putz" used in the "putter" or "futz" sense A LOT......it always cracks me up thinking of someone staying home and waving their putz all about the house.

I became aware of the British use of "big jobs" a few years ago (it means Number Two for those unaware), and i hear people talking about various projects at work and using the phrase as in "ok we've got the small details worked out, but who's going to do the Big Jobs"

MY predispostion for toilet humor causes me to convulse with laughter

RE: faggot......while I don't have proof.....i buy into the faygeleh story...New York (New Amsterdam) had a ton of Dutch people 400 years ago, and native new yorkers say "stoop" for steps to this day.

It's flimsy I know but it SEEMS right


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 05, 2004 08:15PM

Native New Yorkers also say "stoop sale" for "yard sale," but that's because they don't have yards.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 06, 2004 10:31AM

Update ! Update !

My friend (Jewish, born here, parents too....Grandparents immigrants and yiddish-speaking) used the phrase "putzing around" yesterday.

I just HAD to confront him about it, since he should "know better"

Guess what? He defended it....said it was the same as "dicking around"
a phrase I have heard but forgot about yesterday when I was writing my post.

Oy !


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 06, 2004 11:13AM

That's what linguists call a "back formation."

Eventhually is will be part of the history of language. For now, it's just a mistake.

How long does it take a new usage to go from "mistake" to "language"?

The rabbis -- I mean the linguists -- are not in agreement.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 06, 2004 12:31PM

Reminds me of two mis-uses of "moot"

One from "Friends" where Joey says the point is "Moo", like a cow's opinion, it doesnt matter.

Another from my personal experience was when someone told me the point was "Mute" meaning there's no need to speak about it.

It amazes me that people seem to have explanations. Consider the following.

"Suburban Legend" When I asked Don't you mean "Urban Legend" i was informed that people who live in the city are too savvy to believe in such, but not those in the suburbs !

and an old one from the TV show "Soap", where Jessica says she "slept like a Hog", and when questioned, said "Dont be silly, Logs don't sleep!"

And let's not forget the "Statue of Limitations".....you can go up in the crown but you can't go in the torch !

All Hail Gracie Allen !


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Pam Adams (---.bus.csupomona.edu)
Date: May 06, 2004 04:17PM

I see that argument here on the Left Coast with 'Spanglish.' I think that 'carro' and 'lonche' are going to replace 'coche' and 'almuerzo' one of these days. (car and lunch in English)

pam


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: May 06, 2004 06:33PM

Well, kiss my chuddies!!!


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 06, 2004 07:28PM

Now that I think about it, logs DON'T sleep! Jessica Tate rules!

Here's my favorite Joey-ism from FRIENDS. Only it's not from FRIENDS, it's from TAXI, and it wasn't Joey, it was Tony Banta. Anyway -- Tony and Alex are watching the end of a football game at Alex's house. Alex shuts off the TV with obvious discontent.

ALEX: That was terrible!

TONY: It was a tapestry!

ALEX: (takes it in)

ALEX: That wasn't a tapestry; it was a TRAVESTY.

TONY: (takes it in)

TONY: Yeah, I guess the first half was okay.


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 07, 2004 09:41AM

Chuddies? Gee I wish I spoke English !


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 07, 2004 09:45AM

A few years back, the woman cutting my hair remarked after I requested wash cut and dry that I wanted "the whole 10 yards"...I said 9 yards , she looked at me like i had two heads, and said "i guess you're not a football fan"

Now with that movie sequel.......10 yards may be the standard !


Re: i'm new
Posted by: russ (---.olypen.com)
Date: May 07, 2004 02:02PM

I once wrote a little story about a black rooster he understood when I was out of empty cans (ammunition).


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: May 07, 2004 02:56PM


Johnny, you'd probably like George Carlin's routine about a dealer offering to sell some "sht" to an innocent who doesn't know that it's slang for marijuana. After he hears the price, he says, "That much!" The dealer says, "Hey, it's good sht, man!" and the innocent says sincerely: "It must be!"


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: May 07, 2004 03:13PM

Chuddies - Hindi for pants. A catch phrase from that excellent radio comedy "Goodness Gracious Me" (Transfered to TV. Not as good with pictures)


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 07, 2004 03:19PM

Comedian (i forget who) remarking after overhearing wife saying about baby pooping in diaper..."look you made a present for daddy"

"Wow this guy is easy to shop for !"


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Johnny SansCulo (---.nycmny83.covad.net)
Date: May 07, 2004 03:22PM

Thank you..my english is much goodlier now ! (even if it IS Hindi)


Re: i'm new
Posted by: Linzzy (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: June 05, 2004 07:11PM

Les,
You obviously have WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY too much time on your hands!!!!!!!


Re: i'm new
Posted by: lg (---.trlck.ca.charter.com)
Date: June 05, 2004 07:49PM

Linzzy, there's never enough time to do the things you love. I have to laugh Linzzy, but your comment sounds political. To wit a political story:

Late one night a mugger wearing a ski mask jumped into a path of a well-dressed man and stuck a gun in his ribs "give me your money," he demanded. Indignant, the affluent man replied, "you can't do this I am a United States congressman!" "In that case," replied the mugger, "give me MY money."

Les



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