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fragments from where?
Posted by: Russ (---.olypen.com)
Date: March 12, 2004 06:50AM

Talia started all this by wanting to know what poems people memorize.

Then here I am with a bunch of pieces and don't know where they came from.

I have tried google and jeeves and all but what is a good place to look for fragments or "stuck in minds"?

One starts
"No earth of thine is lost to vulgar mold..._"


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: March 12, 2004 11:21AM


I plugged "No earth of thine" into my search engine and got this in one try. It's from verse 88 of the second Canto II of "Childe Harold's Pilgrimage." Read it at:

[www.geocities.com]


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: Talia (---.dialsprint.net)
Date: March 12, 2004 11:57AM

Last night in my poetry class, we did an exercise. Prof. passed out a list of "first line", most of them being famous. We had to pick a line and start writing a poem from there. It was a great exercise and I got a lot of creativity from it, now I have to figure out how to revise it without stealing someone's line.


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: Pam Adams (---.bus.csupomona.edu)
Date: March 12, 2004 12:52PM

Hey, Eliot started Prufrock off with a bit from Dante...........


pam


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-03rh15rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: March 12, 2004 03:24PM

Erato has an interesting thread on 'tailgating':

[tinyurl.com]


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: Talia (---.dialsprint.net)
Date: March 12, 2004 03:39PM

Yes...this proves the exercise is a nudge into creativity, although some of those were a bit tasteless, I did like these:

Shopping List
A Jug of Wine, a Loaf of Bread, and Thou-
sand Island Dressing. Pampers. Puppy Chow.
Cosmic, Man
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
requires a substance that's been banned.

jejeje™

Mary, Part 2
Mary had a little lamb
marinated in mint jam.


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: Russ (---.olypen.com)
Date: March 13, 2004 01:05PM

Thanks marian I will keep trying search engines till I find one that works for me.


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: Tigermonkey (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date: March 13, 2004 04:34PM

Russ, Google is normally pretty good for a first search, so I'm surprised you had difficulty - are you putting phrases into inverted commas? If not, then it'll throw up everything that contains the words you type in (in no particular order).

Typing "no earth of thine" into Google: inverted commas mean the difference between 206,000 irrelevant hits, or 11 rather more relevant ones which, as Marian-NYC says, include Childe Harold.

Also, if you're not sure of the exact wording, you can put in "OR".
So to search for either Mary had a little lamb or Mary had a little sheep, you type in "mary had a little (lamb OR sheep)"

Another rather more comprehensive engine is Copernic, which I use if Google doesn't throw anything up. It's freely available at [www.copernic.com] (but I don't find it as straightforward to use as Google.)

Those are the ones that work best for me.


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: russ (---.olypen.com)
Date: March 19, 2004 12:00PM

Thank you for the help Tigermonkey. I use my computer quite some but mostly for writing. I will experiment with searches a little more.

My next try will be
She starts- She moves- She seems to feel
The thrill of life along her keel


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-05rh15-16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: March 19, 2004 07:05PM


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: March 22, 2004 02:03PM

Talia wrote that in her class she "had to pick a line and start writing a poem from there. It was a great exercise and I got a lot of creativity from it, now I have to figure out how to revise it without stealing someone's line."

If that's the assignment -- to remove the line that started it all -- then by all means do so.

But I noticed a poem in THE NEW YORKER recently that started with a line from a pre-existing poem, and it was entitled "Poem Beginning with a Line from Keats" (or whoever the poet was--I don't remember).

So that would be another way to avoid "stealing"--by ANNOUNCING where the first line came from.


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: Talia (---.dialsprint.net)
Date: March 22, 2004 03:48PM

ahhhh. Great idea! Thanks Marion!


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: Pam Adams (---.bus.csupomona.edu)
Date: March 22, 2004 04:37PM

Also, I think that italicizing the line or putting it in quotes would show that you acknowledge that it isn't yours. (even if you don't formally cite it)

This is reminding me of 'On First Looking into Chapman's Homer'

pam


Re: fragments from where?
Posted by: russ (---.olypen.com)
Date: March 22, 2004 09:44PM

Thanks again Marian. I might try that. Haven't really written in years. But I do know some one liners!




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