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W.H. Auden
Posted by: rayburnjane (---.25.35.203.Dial1.Nashville1.Level3.net)
Date: October 09, 2003 01:34AM

Greetings to all,
I am searching for an Auden poem that refers to King Herod, any help will be appreciated. Thanks Jane R

Jane Rayburn


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: -Les- (---.trlck.ca.charter.com)
Date: October 09, 2003 02:03AM

The title of the poem is "For the Time Being"

Les


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: October 09, 2003 11:57AM


I haven't found a full text on line, but did find this listing:

W.H. (Wystan Hugh) Auden: "For the Time Being; A Christmas Oratorio."

From another site: "Auden moved to New York City in 1939 and became a United States citizen in 1946. In these years his commitment to Christianity deepened. He wrote the Christmas oratorio For the Time Being (1944) and won a Pulitzer prize for the poem The Age of Anxiety (1947)."

If it doesn't turn up on the poetry shelves, it might turn up on the music shelves... though I haven't found any information about the COMPOSER.


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: October 09, 2003 12:00PM

Here's a snippet, in an article on something else:

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Hughes found himself puzzling over how and why the status of "victim" had become the seal of moral rectitude in American society. He began his essay by quoting a passage from W. H. Auden's Christmas oratorio, For the Time Being. The lines he quoted were ones in which King Herod ruminates over whether the threat to civilization posed by the birth of Christ is serious enough to warrant murdering all the male children in one region of the empire. (The historical Herod may have been a vulgar and conniving Roman sycophant, but Auden's Herod, let's not forget, is watching the rough beast of the twentieth century slouching toward Bethlehem.) Weighing all the factors, Herod decides that the Christ child must be destroyed, even if to do so innocents must be slaughtered. For, he argues in the passage that Hughes quoted, should the Child survive:

Reason will be replaced by Revelation . . . . Justice will be replaced by Pity as the cardinal virtue, and all fear of retribution will vanish . . . . The New Aristocracy will consist exclusively of hermits, bums and permanent invalids. The Rough Diamond, the Consumptive Whore, the bandit who is good to his mother, the epileptic girl who has a way with animals will be the heroes and heroines of the New Age, when the general, the statesman, and the philosopher have become the butt of every farce and satire.

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Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Marian-NYC (---.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date: October 09, 2003 01:48PM

A wee bit more info:

For The Time Being is a setting of the first section of W.H.Auden's poem of the same title, written in 1945.
This work was commissioned by the BBC for the BBC singers, who gave the first performance in April 1987 at St. John's Smith Square, conducted by John Poole.
Duration: c. 25 minutes.


(from the description at MUSICROOM.COM, where they sell it)


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Pam Adams (---)
Date: October 09, 2003 02:11PM

Reason will be replaced by Revelation

And when I looked at the headlines on Wednesday- 'Schwarzenegger becomes Governor'- I realized that Herod was right!

pam


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-02rh16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: October 09, 2003 06:24PM


Arnold Schwarzenegger
Was a player of parts 'n egger
Of voters for recall, though open furor
Had left him the label of Gropenführer.


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Pam Adams (---.bus.csupomona.edu)
Date: October 09, 2003 09:08PM

Ar/nold Schwar/ze/neg/ger

Doesn't seem to have the right flow for a double dactyl. Guess we'll have to resort to limericks.

pam


Re: W.H. Auden "Thanks"
Posted by: rayburnjane (---.25.37.243.Dial1.Nashville1.Level3.net)
Date: October 09, 2003 10:15PM

To Les, Marian, Pan and Hugh....

Thanks so much for the info and the added fun, ya'll are great!!! I am searching for the full text, but I think I am dreaming....Truly appreciate all the good help.....Jane

Jane Rayburn


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-01rh15rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: October 10, 2003 10:55AM


the right flow for a double dactyl

Governor Schwarzenegger will work, if we elide the 2nd syllable. I'll get back.


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Linda (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: October 10, 2003 03:02PM

Do you need the double dactyl for a Clerihew?


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-01rh15rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: October 10, 2003 03:51PM


Do you need the double dactyl for a Clerihew?

Nope - separate forms. Clerihew is four lines rhyming aabb, any regular meter. To satisfy purists, the person's name must be the last word of the first line.


Tiddley - Widdley
Arnold A. Schwarzenegger
Ruled Mr Universe,
Acted in flicks;

Won California's
Gubernatorial
Recall despite having
Fondled some chicks.


(His middle name apparently is Alios. I couldn't use gubernatorial and governor both, obviously.)


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Desi (---.grecian.net)
Date: October 15, 2003 11:32AM

Have you ever considered inventing a new form? The Claryhew?


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Jack? (---.eapplied.com)
Date: October 15, 2003 12:39PM

The ClaryHugh


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Pam Adams (134.71.192.---)
Date: October 15, 2003 02:00PM

Hey, how's Crete?

pam


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Fay Stone (137.104.15.---)
Date: October 16, 2003 08:29PM

I'm searching for a poem titled "Funeral Blues" which I believe was also written by W.H.Auden. Any help?


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: rayburnjane (---.25.33.92.Dial1.Nashville1.Level3.net)
Date: October 16, 2003 10:20PM

Fay, I found the poem "Funeral Blues" by Auden:

Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone,
Silence the pianos and with muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.

Let aeroplanes cirlce moaning overhead
Scribbing on the sky the message He is Dead.
Put crepe bows round the white necks of the public doves,
Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves.

He was my North, my south, my East and West,
My working week and my Sunday rest,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last forever: I was wrong.

The stars are not wanted now; put out every one,
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun,
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods;
For nothing now can ever come to any good.


----W. H. Auden

I like this one too!!! Auden is heavy duty...Jane


Re: W.H. Auden Funeral Blues
Posted by: Jennifer (---.sympatico.ca)
Date: November 20, 2003 01:26AM

Hello,
I thought it was called Funeral Blues or similar too but I just found some references to "Stop all the clocks"... but I think that must be a mistake.

Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone.
Silence the pianos and with muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.


Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead
Scribbling on the sky the message He is Dead,
Put crépe bows round the white necks of the public doves,
Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves.


He was my North, my South, my East and West,
My working week and my Sunday rest,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song,
I thought that love would last forever: 'I was wrong'


The stars are not wanted now, put out every one;
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood.
For nothing now can ever come to any good.


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: -Les- (---.trlck.ca.charter.com)
Date: November 20, 2003 01:43AM

According to Wondering Minstrels website, the poem was known as Song IX from Twelve Songs for 40 years before appearing as "Funderal Blues". Click on the yellow highlighted numbers in the following discussion here for more information:

[www.cs.rice.edu] />


Les


Re: W.H. Auden
Posted by: Talia (216.117.98.---)
Date: November 20, 2003 02:39PM

I just have to say....I love Funeral Blues...one of my favorite poems!




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