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Explanation/insights on Thomas Lodge's Rosalind's Madrigal
Posted by: L.H (202.70.98.---)
Date: September 05, 2002 08:10AM

Could anyone please post his/her insights or interpretation of the said poem? I'm having a hard time grasping its meaning and sequences of events.
Any help shall be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.


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Re: Explanation/insights on Thomas Lodge's Rosalind's Madrigal
Posted by: L.H (203.176.27.---)
Date: September 05, 2002 02:19PM

I'm begging anyone...please?1 Love in my bosom like a bee,
2 Doth suck his sweet;
3 Now with his wings he plays with me,
4 Now with his feet.
5 Within mine eyes he makes his nest,

6 His bed amidst my tender breast;
7 My kisses are his daily feast,
8 And yet he robs me of my rest.
9 Ah, wanton, will ye?

10 And if I sleep, then percheth he
11 With pretty flight,
12 And makes his pillow of my knee,
13 The livelong night.
14 Strike I my lute, he tunes the string;
15 He music plays if so I sing;
16 He lends me every lovely thing;
17 Yet cruel he my heart doth sting--
18 Whist, wanton, still ye!

19 Else I with roses every day
20 Will whip you hence,
21 And bind you, when you long to play,
22 For your offence.
23 I'll shut my eyes to keep you in,
24 I'll make you fast it for your sin,
25 I'll count your power not worth a pin;
26 Alas! what hereby shall I win
27 If he gainsay me?

28 What if I beat the wanton boy
29 With many a rod?
30 He will repay me with annoy,
31 Because a god.
32 Then sit thou safely on my knee,
33 And let thy bower my bosom be;
34 Lurk in mine eyes, I like of thee.
35 Cupid! so thou pity me,
36 O Spare not, but play thee.


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Re: Explanation/insights on Thomas Lodge's Rosalind's Madrigal
Posted by: Marian-NYC (216.27.129.---)
Date: September 05, 2002 08:28PM


L.H.,

You didn't say what you DID understand, so forgive me if I point out things you already know.

WANTON means unfaithful or promiscuous. So the "cruel sting" Rosalind feels is knowing that the man she loves is unfaithful to her.

But, like a BEE, he stays around when left free; if you try to hold onto him, he stings you and/or flies away.

To GAINSAY (from "say against") means to disagree, or refuse. Rosalind thinks of trying to trap him in some way, but -- "Alas! what hereby shall I win/ If he gainsay me?" -- she'd rather not take the risk that he'll just leave.

If this leaves things you still want to discuss, please be specific!


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Re: Explanation/insights on Thomas Lodge's Rosalind's Madrigal
Posted by: Elliot (208.59.247.---)
Date: September 06, 2002 03:55AM

I'll second Marian's analysis and add that it sounds like "he" was a younger lover, since the voice is talking down to him almost as if "he" were a child. Also, there is no clear indication, although it does refer to "sleep... pillow of my knee... of an intimate relationship. Therefore, it could refer to the conflict surrounding a prayed for relationship with a somewhat of a coquet.

Elliot


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Re: Explanation/insights on Thomas Lodge's Rosalind's Madrigal
Posted by: L.H (202.70.100.---)
Date: September 07, 2002 08:34AM

errr... i would like to ask what the whole poem meant. I found a brief summary stating that the poem was about a hopeless love of a man for a girl. I just don't get certain parts of the poem but thanks for the help though


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Re: Explanation/insights on Thomas Lodge's Rosalind's Madrigal
Posted by: Hugh Clary (12.91.173.---)
Date: September 07, 2002 01:58PM


She is being stalked, suffocated.


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Re: Explanation/insights on Thomas Lodge's Rosalind's Madrigal
Posted by: Marian-NYC (216.27.129.---)
Date: September 09, 2002 04:19PM

Since it's called ROSALIND'S MADRIGAL, I assumed that the speaker was female and the beloved "bee" male. That's consistent with the customary parallel of man-bee and woman-flower.

If someone has a reason for assuming the speaker is male, or younger than the beloved, please post it.

L.H., ask a vague question, you get a vague (or off-the-mark) answer. Be specific about what you want.

AS YOU SEE, there can be plenty of different opinions about "what the whole poem means."


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Re: Explanation/insights on Thomas Lodge's Rosalind's Madrigal
Posted by: Pam Adams (134.71.18.---)
Date: September 09, 2002 06:07PM

Try this general interpretation on for size.-- She (or he, it doesn't really matter) loves this person, 'the bee.' The love is apparently returned. However, it's being returned badly, like all bees, this one's got a sting and will cause pain. The narrator acknowledges this, but still is in love, and knows that she/he is going to suffer for love.

pam


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