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Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: Talia (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 26, 2006 09:18PM

I found a great ESVM poem (I'll post it later when I have easier access to it for all of you), but her stuff is still copyrighted right? I want to put it in my literary magazine. Is there any way I could do that?


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 26, 2006 09:44PM

Just change the words around and you'll have no trouble

Seriously, though I think you'd technically have to wait til 2020, you may get some further info here: [www.millaycolony.org] />
Maybe they'll be okay with it if you're not turning a profit
Maybe not

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/26/2006 09:44PM by JohnnySansCulo.


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: lg (Moderator)
Date: September 27, 2006 12:46AM

You may quote portions of the poem for literary or educational purposes. The key in determining copyright issues is "intent". In most copyright cases those who are trying to protect copyrights must prove that either the copier intended to profit from the use of the material, or that the copier was trying to misrepresent the material as their own.

Usually, nothing is done and no one is sued if, like the following site, the information is shared without any intention by the user of profiting from the sharing: [www.poemhunter.com] />
But that is not to say that the copyright holder may not restrict public use of their material. Here's an example: [www.americanpoems.com] />


Les

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/27/2006 01:32AM by lg.


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: lg (Moderator)
Date: September 27, 2006 12:55AM

Here is an explanation of the "fair use" provision of the U.S. copyright laws: [www.utsystem.edu] />

Les


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: Talia (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 27, 2006 07:29AM

Apostrophe to Man

(on reflecting that the world is ready to go to war again)

Detestable race, continue to expunge yourself, die out
Breed faster, crowd, encroach, sing hymns, build bombing airplanes;
Make speeches, unveil statues, issue bonds, parade;
Convert again into putrescent matter drawing flies
The hopeful bodies of the young; exhort
Pray, pull long faces, be earnest, be all but overcome, be photographed;
Confer, perfect your formulae, commercialize
Bacteria harmful to human tissue,
Put death on the market;
Breed, crowd, en

croach, expand, expunge yourself, die out
Homo called sapiens.

...and then there is this one, too

"If STill Your Orchards Bear"

Brother, that breathe the August air
Ten thousand years from now,
and smell--if your orchards bear
Tart apples on the bough--

The early windfall under the tree,
And see the red fruit shine,
I cannot think your thoughts will be
Much different from mine.

Should at that moment the full moon
Step forth upon the hill,
And memories hard to bear at noon,
By moonlight harder still,

From in the shadows of the trees--
Things that you could not spare
Or live, or so you thought, yet these
All gone, and you still there.

A man no larger what he was
Nor yet the thing he'd planned
The chilly apple from the grass
Warmed by your living hand--

I think you will have need of tears;
I think they will not flow;
Supposing in ten thousand years
Men ache, as they do now.

...and one more

"The Anguish"

I were to God I were quenched and dafted
As in my youth
From the flask of song and the good breed
Of beauty richer than truth,

The anguish of the world is on my tounge
My bowl is filled to the brim with it; there's more than I can eat
Happy are the toothless old and the toothless young,
That cannot rend this


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: Veronika (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 27, 2006 09:21AM

I think you can always ask the copyright holder for permission to reprint. The copyright holder for Millay's work is:

[tyler.hrc.utexas.edu] />
HTH,
V.


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: Talia (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 27, 2006 09:33AM

I did email and ask permission.


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 27, 2006 10:13AM

Good to see that Veronika and I sent you to the same spot.


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: Hugh Clary (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 27, 2006 10:37AM

I also see lots of sites that have those of hers above, so pointers could be used as well. The Anguish one has some different words:

[katebenedict.com] />

The Anguish

I would to God I were quenched and fed
As in my youth
From the flask of song, and the good bread
Of beauty richer than truth.

The anguish of the world is on my tongue.
My bowl is filled to the brim with it; there is no more than I can eat.
Happy are the toothless old and the toothless young,
That cannot rend this meat.


Not to say it scans any better in that version, no ...


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 27, 2006 10:41AM

I saw there were a bunch on Project Gutenberg

Do they give a shit about copyright?

I don't remember their rules or lack thereof


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: Hugh Clary (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 27, 2006 12:13PM


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 27, 2006 05:07PM

Informative....thanks Hugh


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: Veronika (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 28, 2006 06:42AM

I apologize, I only read the original post, but not the replies, and didn't know Johnny had already given you the right info. But I guess there is no harm done in getting an information twice (from two different sources).

V.


Re: Copyrights and E. S. V. Millay
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 28, 2006 10:07AM

No apologies necessary, though it would have been bad if there were two or more competing copyright-keepers




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