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Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: drpeternsz@yahoo.com (192.168.128.---)
Date: July 20, 2006 01:35AM

Can anyone tell me what the twelve elements that make up the universe are? Borges lists them somewhere, but I can't find where. It is one of his fabulous lists.

Peter


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: July 20, 2006 09:19AM

At the moment, no.

Here's a link though, but I cannot see how this would be of any use to anyone besides myself

[hamete.org]


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: lg (Moderator)
Date: July 20, 2006 12:10PM

I think you have to go to a library and get one of his works. I'd try the U.C. Berkeley library, Peter. Interesting fellow: [www.uco.es] />
Les


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: Hugh Clary (192.168.128.---)
Date: July 20, 2006 12:22PM

Can anyone tell me what the twelve elements that make up the universe are?

Sure, According to Borges they are:

AEGRSYXXBR
AMGETB
DSC
OVTVLBLSTICPD
NEXPMPEPDBPHRLY
DPPPEGH
OSTTJER
QOOSSP
VNCT
ELVYRF
BVTXT and
CMB

Hmmm ... In French, his name would be pronounced 'zhorzh borzh', Spanish 'horgay borgays'? Prolly the source of the nursery rhyme, horgie porgie, puddin' & pie?


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: drpeternsz@yahoo.com (192.168.128.---)
Date: July 20, 2006 01:39PM

TThe question is one asked of me by my poet-engineer friend with the purple hair. I, myself, wrote a paper on the concept of play in Borges for a graduate course on postmodern fiction which I failed (with a grade of cool smiley, partly because I used too many sources (all of the book-length works in English of Borges). It was one of only two graduate courses I flunked in eight years (there other being a course on modern philosophy, because I fell asleep in class and because the professor would not admit that he did not understand and could not read my primary source (I was writing a paper on 'common sense' in the hermeneutics of Hans-Georg Gadamer. Enough rambling for the moment. I will get back to you, perhaps. Thanks to all. Anyone know the specific text Borges' list comes from?


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: lg (Moderator)
Date: July 20, 2006 03:16PM

Peter, I would contact the people at the U.of Iowas, Borges center. There is a phone number and e-mail address. My guess is that if they don't know, nobody does: [www.uiowa.edu] />

Les


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: July 20, 2006 03:56PM

DPPPEGH iisn't an element, it's a compound


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: July 20, 2006 04:05PM

In The Analytical Language of John Wilkins (El idioma analítico de John Wilkins), Jorge Luis Borges describes "a certain Chinese encyclopedia," the Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge, in which it is written that animals are divided into:

1. those that belong to the Emperor,
2. embalmed ones,
3. those that are trained,
4. suckling pigs,
5. mermaids,
6. fabulous ones,
7. stray dogs,
8. those included in the present classification,
9. those that tremble as if they were mad,
10. innumerable ones,
11. those drawn with a very fine camelhair brush,
12. others,
13. those that have just broken a flower vase,
14. those that from a long way off look like flies.


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: lg (Moderator)
Date: July 20, 2006 08:41PM

#'s 12, 10, and 14 show Borges' ability to poke fun at the world and himself at the same time.

Les


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: Hugh Clary (192.168.128.---)
Date: July 21, 2006 12:05PM

Hey, howdja do that smiley thingy? Lemme try some experiments:

angrysmileyconfusedcoolbaringteethcryingdisappointedembarrassedfootinmouthfrowninghotinnocentkissinglaughinglipsaresealednerdrolleyessicksleepysmilesmiley12smiley14smiley15smiley16smiley17smiley23smiley24smiley25smilie1smilie10smilie2smilie3smilie4smilie5smilie6smilie7smilie8smilie9suprisedthinkingtoungeundecidedwink

Remarkable how many of them have different names, but appear quite similar.


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: lg (Moderator)
Date: July 21, 2006 01:42PM

I wonder if this is one of the 12/14 elements. hot

Les


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: July 21, 2006 03:29PM

It is worth remembering that every writer begins with a naively physical notion of what art is. A book for him or her is not an expression or a series of expressions, but literally a volume, a prism with six rectangular sides made of thin sheets of papers which should include a cover, an inside cover, an epigraph in italics, a preface, nine or ten parts with some verses at the beginning, a table of contents, an ex libris with an hourglass and a Latin phrase, a brief list of errata, some blank pages, a colophon and a publication notice: objects that are known to constitute the art of writing.

* Evaristo Carriego (1930) Ch. 3


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: July 21, 2006 03:35PM

"Through the years, a man peoples a space with images of provinces, kingdoms, mountains, bays, ships, islands, fishes, rooms, tools, stars, horses and people. Shortly before his death, he discovers that the patient labyrinth of lines traces the image of his own face."


well, there ARE 12, in any case


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: drpeternsz@yahoo.com (192.168.128.---)
Date: July 28, 2006 06:27PM

So far, an unsuccessful search...sigh.


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: Hugh Clary (192.168.128.---)
Date: July 31, 2006 10:25AM

If it is any consolation, I was at the local library last week and scanned through two collections of his writings. To no avail, right. Where did you get the idea? Maybe that would help, I mean.


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: July 31, 2006 10:42AM

Agree, Hugh, I think that Peter should take Les' suggestion of contacting the Borges Center, to see if they know anything about it.

I'm suspecting it's out there somewhere, but we're calling it the wrong name.


Re: Borges' list of twelve elements
Posted by: drpeternsz (192.168.128.---)
Date: September 13, 2006 02:40AM

...a friend of mine asked me. It sort of rang a bell...but that leads nowhere. I'll just have to do some old fashioned research on this one. Thanks, all, for your attention to this one.

Peter




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