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the bible and other translations
Posted by: Desi (Moderator)
Date: October 04, 2005 06:06PM

For my wedding I received a very nice present, a Dutch bible. It is a new translation into real and modern dutch, and the great thing about it, is it comes in different versions. This one has the lay-out of a book (so no numbers before every line), but the same translation is also available in other formats.

For me, it feels great to be able to read it without thee's and thou's and old-fashioned gibberish, especially as I know that the language of the new testament is very down to earth, simple and easy greek.

Similarly, a lot of classical poetry has been translated into Dutch, and it almost always sounds translated. There are very few translators that can come up with a poem that is also nice for someone without a classical background. Of course, I know that literal translations have a great value too, especially for people who use it as an aid to read the original, but I want to find the "best" non literal translators of classical poets in English. I love the work of Catullus, for example, or Horatius.

Can anyone recommend any?

And what is the latest bible translation into english?


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: Vic Jefferies (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 06, 2005 01:16AM

Desi,

I do not know what the latest bible translation is but a very good and easily read one from some time back was The Good News Bible, which included the Apocrypha.


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: lg (Moderator)
Date: October 06, 2005 02:51AM

This site may be of some help, or it may confuse you further:

[www.bible-researcher.com] />
Compare these two passages to get an idea of what Vic says above:

[www.blueletterbible.org] />
[www.biblija.net] />

Les

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/06/2005 04:18PM by lg.


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: Desi (Moderator)
Date: October 06, 2005 06:50AM

Thank you! That is the difference I was talking about, yes.


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: Talia (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 07, 2005 12:58PM

I prefer the King James version. I want my bible to be translated as little as possible. But to get rid of the "thee" and "thou" the New King James does that without losing much else. Here is another site to check:

[bible.gospelcom.net]


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: Linda (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 07, 2005 05:43PM

I do not prefer this version.

[tinyurl.com]


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: marian2 (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 09, 2005 06:40AM

There is a brand new one called the 100 minute bible which takes 100 minutes to read. It is meant to provide an overview for the busy modern person, with references to the appropriate books, chapters, verses etc if you want to expand your reading. I haven't seen one - I heard about it on the Radio 4 News just before I went away on holiday. It may be on the Net - if not I shall look out for it. Media opinions vary from awful to the bees knees as you might expect.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2005 06:41AM by marian2.


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: lg (Moderator)
Date: October 09, 2005 02:13PM

Here you go Marian: [www.the100-minutepress.com.] />

Les


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: lg (Moderator)
Date: October 09, 2005 03:45PM

Linda, the debate on fundamental issues goes on and on. Here's an article from today's local newspaper: [www.modbee.com] />

Les


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: IanB (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 09, 2005 06:24PM

It's frightening, Les! The islamist cause isn't the only one that produces mad mullahs. Frightening to see in the USA such a groundswell of them wanting to politicise education to support their ideology. It's hard enough at the best of times to preserve standards against those who would dumb down the school curriculum. Frightening to see how subtly the article by Edie Lau is slanted to position the 'intelligent design' mullahs as part of the reasonable middle ground. Will the levees of clear thinking be able to withstand such winds of confusion?

Unfortunately there's not much we in Australia can do to affect the outcome of this clash of forces in the USA. Perhaps use religion to fight religion? Proclaim Matthew 7:9 and Luke 11:11; and pray for the success of the Dover parents' lawsuit? When kids have such limited school time and opportunity to be given the bread of the sound basic education that they need and are entitled to expect, they shouldn't be fed (let alone force fed) the stones of junk science.

Of course people who want to should be free to study and research 'intelligent design', but that's for when they have time on their hands after graduating from college and are ready to assume full responsibility for themselves.

That's my two cents worth on this issue, anyway!


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: Talia (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 10, 2005 12:11AM

"Intelligent Design" is a theory, just as much as "Evolution" is a theory. When I took Freshman college biology it was never mentioned that Evolution was merely a theory, yet it went on and on for about 6 chapters...a big long fiction tale. I'm not saying Evolution isn't true, but let's be honest about it.

The 100 minute bible? Such a modern, busy person shouldn't even bother...it won't do them much good to get just an overview. So save your 100 minutes and waste it on something else. Sorry if I sound rude, but sometimes quantity is the quality.


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 10, 2005 02:36AM

There is a Klingon translation

really


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: drpeternsz (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 10, 2005 03:16AM

G'pla!


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: marian2 (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 10, 2005 05:09AM

Thanks for the link, Les - I shall buy one.

Thanks for the advice, Talia, but as an old fogey with time on my hands I can spare 100 minutes (and 4)! I'm reasonably familiar with several versions of the Bible, being a practising Anglican. I'm also a scientist and researcher so will endeavour to read it with an open mind, and will report back if anyone is interested.

I seem completely incapable of writing English this morning, let alone grammar! 4 edits on a post this size which isn't quoting anything else is my record.

Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 10/10/2005 05:14AM by marian2.


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: Emer (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 14, 2005 06:04AM

Just seems like i should throw this out here...
interesting article
[www.timesonline.co.uk]


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: Desi (Moderator)
Date: October 14, 2005 07:12AM

very interesting! Thanks for the link!


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: Emer (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 14, 2005 10:12AM

nice to see the catholic church doesnt object to evolution being tought, i myself think that children should have a broad view of all opinions so that they can decide their own views for themselves.


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: Desi (Moderator)
Date: October 14, 2005 10:42AM

As I see it, the evolution theory doesn't exclude the existence of God. It just means it is a very smart god :-)

Anyway, I went to a protestant high school, and I got thought both. Not as facts, but as theories. (and the evolution theory as a bit more likely than genesis...)


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 14, 2005 10:43AM

As they mentioned in Star Trek The Next Generation, when Worf was questioned about whether the legendary stories of Emperor Kahless were true, he replied " I continue to find new truths every time I read them"


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 14, 2005 10:45AM

"1500 years ago, everybody "knew" that the earth was the center of the universe. 500 years ago, everybody "knew" that the earth was flat. And 15 minutes ago, you "knew" that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll "know" tomorrow."

Kay- Men In Black


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 14, 2005 11:52AM

"The universe is made of stories, not of atoms"

Muriel Rukeyser


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: PamAdams (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 14, 2005 12:40PM

Evolution may be a theory, but it's one with a lot of evidence behind it. I'm not sure that ID can say the same.

One problem that I see is with teaching ID (besides my belief that religion belongs outside the classroom!) is whose theory do we teach? If God created the universe, which one gets the credit?

pam


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: Desi (Moderator)
Date: October 14, 2005 12:44PM

"religion belongs outside the classroom"

I don't agree. Religion should be more in the classroom. Not as facts, but in the same way as you learn other subjects. It would help understanding one another a lot more, if we all know a bit more about each other's cultures, and religion is a part of that (even in country's that are not very religious, but that were in the past).

I say, we should all learn the basics about all major religions: buddhism, islam, christianity (both catholic and protestant), judaism and I'm sure I'm missing some.


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: PamAdams (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 14, 2005 02:10PM

I type corrected! What I really meant was belief rather than religion. I agree that comparative religion and classes such as 'The Bible as Literature' do belong.


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: drpeternsz (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 17, 2005 04:58PM

I've had as many as 4 typos in one word on a good day Marian (only two in theis sentence). Lol...


Re: the bible and other translations
Posted by: drpeternsz (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 17, 2005 05:01PM

My vote is for Ti-amat, "she who gave birth to them all."




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